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THE D
X
M ZINE
.
Issue 14. September 2002.
A Symposium of Articles Pertaining to DXM Use
(c)2002 Jeffrey Sothen/gravol
Email at
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Official Zine Web Site at
http://dex.kenton.org/dxmzine
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http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/zines
Edited by gravol, with article contributions by fellow DXMers.
DISCLAIMER
: The authors of this zine do not condone the use of dextromethorphan
in any way. This text is simply used as an informative guide to issues
relating to dextromethorphan use and should be used for entertainment
purposes only. We are not responsible for any actions taken by anyone
reading this text.
WARNING
: While the authors of this zine do not condone the use of
dextromethorphan in any way, a strict warning also is warranted here
regarding the dangers of Coricidin Cough & Cold. Each year, the rate
of death of individuals who overdose from this dangerous medication
increases, and for this reason this zine will no longer publish trip
reports involving this medication, nor will we publish any information
that may cast Coricidin Cough & Cold in a positive light. Anyone
still using this medication should stop immediately, because of the
dangers of the secondary active ingredient, chlorpheniramine maleate.
---
CONTENTS
1 From the Editor
2 Announcements
3 Letters to the Editor
4 DXM Survey Results
5 DXM in the Media
6 The Future of DXM - Some Groundbreaking Research
7 The First DXM Novel
8 Blast from the Past: Tripping in a Haunted Mansion
9 A Closer Look at the Plateaus of DXM
10 Chico Chemical Interview
11 Opinions of DXM in the Midwest
12 The Great Internet Debate - DXM Used for Depression?
13 DXM in Science
14 Tales from the Darkside
15 DXM Music Reviews
16 DXM Poetry
17 Info on Ordering Pure DXM Powder
18 Acknowledgements/Zine Information
---
FROM THE EDITOR
Greetings,
There are many important changes in this issue. I have also tried to
include more poetry, music reviews, and the arts after an absence of
such things in past issues. I have also tried to explain any articles
involving chemistry in simpler terms so the layman can understand it
easier. Many more changes are coming so please try to be patient.
Unfortunately, I can't please every person, so if you have any comments, contact me at
[email protected].
I hope you enjoy this issue as much as I have putting it together. A
lot of groundbreaking material is in it, material I guarantee you
haven't heard anywhere else. I even added some material from the past to
mix things up a bit, along with more trip reports. So enjoy!
gravol
St
Augustine, FL
June
27, 2002
ANNOUNCEMENTS
DXM ZINE WON'T BE AVAILABLE IN OCTOBER
by gravol
The DXM Zine will NOT be available next month - the editor is taking a
much-needed break. However, there will be a double-issue in November
for the 5 YEAR ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL which will contain all the
information from October. I hope you can wait that long!
DXM RESEARCH PROJECT
by gravol
The DXM Research Project is still in its beginning stages. So far,
VaeSolis from the Dextroverse has been able to raise a substantial
amount of money, but the project is very slow to take birth - so please
be very patient, and we will update you with any new information. For
the Project to go forward, grants for research are needed. Also look for
a future interview with Dr. J.M. Olney by VaeSolis. If you have any
comments or questions regarding his project you can contact VaeSolis
through
[email protected]
.
DXM CONTEST WINNERS
by gravol
Congratulations to DawnS212 and Serpico, who won 5 grams and 10 grams
of pure dextromethorphan powder, respectively. DawnS212 participated in
the monthly survey and her name was drawn out of a hat. Serpico
contributed article information that will be published in an upcoming
issue.
And for those of you who are new at this, the DXM Zine will now
be giving away free DXM HBr in powder form exclusively to contributors
of the Zine. All articles must be submitted by the 20th of each month,
and one entry per email person will be submitted for a monthly drawing.
The approximate amount that will be given away will be 10 grams each
month. Special thanks to the Dextroverse for help making this possible.
If you would like a chance to win free DXM then please contribute and
make yourself known to the DXM community!
Upon receiving an article contribution, you will receive
notification that you've been entered in the contest and the winners
will be announced in each upcoming Zine. Good luck!
OLD ISSUES CONVERTED TO HTML, GRAPHICS ADDED
by gravol
I am in the process of converting old issues to RTF, while leaving the
simple HTML text version alone - xganon has taken the liberty of
converting all past issues to HTML, and I will add graphics later. All
the issues have been moved to
http://www.dextroverse.org/~zine.
As each new issue is converted I plan to house it at that site, next
to the original TXT format, so you have a choice whether to print it out
in TXT or view it in HTML. If you have any suggestions feel free to
contact me.
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Concerning Issue 13:
From: Ellie
I read the dextroverse for the first time today and quite enjoyed.
Thank you so much for making such an excellent ezine. You've made
info easy to access, and made an obvious effort to provide practical
information (email addresses etc.) You've created a true
interactive forum which is an often attempted but rarely achieved task.
I've been reading William White's stuff, 3rd plateau, thy lyceum,
chatting, basically reading everything I could find on the
internet on dxm for years. Your site was BY FAR the most helpful,
informative, and, notably, lacking in ego.
From:
[email protected]
(Dan)
Hey, just wanted to introduce myself and say a big "thanks" for doing
the zine. I've had a blast perusing the back issues of the zine,
particularly the trip reports and articles relating to
supernatural/paranormal phenomena. Thanks again for all the hard
work.
From:
[email protected]
(Phoenix Sahar)
I realize as a public enterprise you have to be legaly responsible and
non-biased, but in all honesty i would enjoy the zine more if it was
more DXM community related than science and research community related.
I'd like to see more kinds of things like different extractions
and preperations, comparing powder to syrup, stuff that i talk with my
friends in back alleys, you know. I liked the articles on
combinations. I still like the zine and i'm planning on contributing as
soon as i can.
From:
[email protected]
You are the designer and I have no comments as its great. Thanks for everything Gravol. Great Job, Keep it up!
From:
[email protected]
I think all the information there is very good. But the reader
might be more attracted to read the DXM Zine if there were some frames
put in for design, or if it were turned into a .PDF design. Forget
Times New Roman. Also, if in HTML format, the contents at the top
of the mag should link to the different sections. The issue of
the magazine I've seen is great, but at the top I notice alot of general
information pertaining to DXM. Maybe its necessary, but it would
seem a bit awkward if you are planning on putting this information in
all your issues.
From:
[email protected]
The zine is awesome...keep it up and let me know if I can help with anything!
Concerning DXM and Adverse Effects:
From:
[email protected]
(Greg)
I have alot of third plateau experiences with DXM, my last about 6
years ago. I will admit I did way too much, three sometimes four times a
week for a nearly three year period. Although it's toxicity is low it
can fuck up your body in other ways. I was watching a movie
Chinatown
Jack Nickolson, etc. at one point I entered into the movie and could
look around at the actors and the scene. That was heavy! But another
time I was so out of it, I felt like my brain had been removed from my
head and it was floating above and behind my body like being remote
controlled. That time I flashed that that my mind would never reunite
with my body and I would be in a mental hospital for the rest of my
life. I feel I survived that that without becoming psycotic only because
I went to my daughters room to see her one last time before I called
for help, something maybe my desire and love for her brought me back to a
point at which I had to survive that helped me. Please be very very
careful. I know what I've said here will not stop you. If you have
questions write me back. I have alot of experience with DXM using and
using solvent extraction to purify it, which I will NOT get into.
DXM SURVEY RESULTS
The above results show most subscribers are somewhat experienced
dexers, most use syrup form, most are in the 18-25 age range and most of
them use DXM once a month or less. The Zine was rated overwhelmingly
Good to Very Good and some comments made included making the Zine
accessible in PDF format, adding music reviews, more
chemistry/extraction techniques with more explanation in laymen's terms,
and more trip reports. I will try to accomodate and incorporate these
changes the best I can, however for the time being the Zine will remain
in HTML format. If someone can convert this to PDF then please contact
me.
Everyone that responded to this survey was also entered
into a contest for 5 free grams of DXM powder. Look in your email box
for next month's survey - it's coming soon and you'll be entered in next
month's contest for free DXM.
DXM IN THE MEDIA
DXM ON TELEVISION
compiled by gravol
Walgreens is still airing a commercial which is quite humurous to
dexers. It goes "In a town called Perfect, there's always time to smell
the roses..." and continues with "And there's always cough syrup at 3
AM," as a woman opens up a medicine cabinet full of row-after-row of 8
oz cherry-flavored cough syrup. The commercial ends "Of course, we don't
live anywhere near Perfect..."
Also, in the
Sixth Sense
there is reference to a kid doing commercials for cough syrup, and
being known as the "cough syrup boy" to the main character. Kinda weird
since DXM is highly linked to the paranormal world.
And, in
Requiem for a Dream
, Sara (Jennifer Connelly) is seen drinking Robitussin Maximum Strength Cough while fiending for more heroin.
There is also a 24-minute film exclusively about DXM, called
Use As Directed.
The film was produced by Matt Martin, an ex-regular poster of The Third Plateau.
http://www.third-plateau.org/community/movies.shtml
VanillaDEX writes, "
I remember some funny ass shit I saw on Nickelodeon once. I was
watching the Amanda Show and at the beginning Amanda was in a helicopter
with this old man. The old man was flying it and they were trying to
land. All of the sudden the old man falls asleep. Amanda's panicking
trying to wake him up then she finally wakes him up. The old man goes,
'Oh...sorry I think I drank a little bit too much cough medicine this
morning. That stuff's crazy. It'll make you go wooohooowooohooowoohoo!'
and then they crashed into the roof of the building and amanda fell
through and got up to start the show." Probably not a DXM reference, but
funny nonetheless."
Murmurmaid writes, "In the
Princess Diaries
, her [Julie Andrews] neighbor is this weird ass old guy that sits in
his yard making lists all day. she comes out of her house one morning
and says 'good morning Mr. Robitussin!'"
Pip writes, "I saw a
Third Rock
from the sun, where Dick drank a whole bottle of cough syrup because
he was sick, and he got all fucked up. I saw a Sienfeld episode not too
long ago and George was talking about his favorite kind of cough
medicine... he said he likes them all, but Robitussin DM is probobly his
favorite."
SonOfAGun writes, "In an episode of
Grounded For Life
(FOX) the grandfather is sick and chugs a bottle of cough syrup. He
basically gets really out of it, and off-balance, but then he's going to
go to turn off the music and ends up being like 'actually, this is
pretty good' and starts dancing and then falls onto the couch."
Jerry Stahl.
"I never wanted to drink alcohol. I always thought that was bad, so
when I got off of heroin by doing crack, I would drink Robitussin-DM,
which means I basically spray-painted the toilet blue about 75 times a
day. But I didn't want to drink, because I knew that was bad. I had my
standards.
http://www.salon.com/books/int/1999/10/19/stahl/
DXM IN MUSIC
compiled by gravol, rfgdxm
Straight from the music archives from the Summer of Love, 1967, comes
this interesting song about Robitussin by Moby Grape, entitled
Hey Grandma
by J. Miller and D. Stevenson. If you know of any Robitussin
references in music please contact us. This is available to listen to at
http://dextromethorphan.ws/mobygrape-heygrandma.mp3
.
Hey Grandma, you're so young
Your old man's just a boy
Been a long time this time (pow-pow-pow)
Been a long time this time (pow-pow-pow)
Been a long time this time round, this time round
Everything is upside down, upside down
Sure lookin' good
You're lookin' so good
You're sure lookin' good
SF freak scene was on my mind
Fillmore Slim is just a-wasting time
Well I got high this time (pow-pow-pow)
Well I got high this time (pow-pow-pow)
Well I got high this time round, this time round
Everything is upside down, upside down
Cause your lookin' good
You're lookin' so good
You're sure lookin' good
Robitussin make me feel so fine
Robitussin and Elderberry wine
Hey Grandma
Hey Grandma
Hey Grandma
Hey Grandma...
The Eagles.
Also, Joe Walsh of the
Eagles
uses old Coricidin bottles for something you wouldn't expect. During
an online interview, he was asked what kind of slide he used - metal or
glass, and Mr. Walsh responded with "Good question. Duane Allman turned
me on to using Coricidin bottles (an old cold medicine). I use glass
almost always to record with. They have a much warmer sound. I use a
fairly massive brass slide live. Easier to stay in tune with." You can
view the entire interview at
http://www.eaglesfans.com/info/articles/joe_aol_chat_2.htm
DXM IN THE NEWS
compiled by gravol, rfgdxm, void
The above map shows all known locations where DXM has appeared in the
newspaper recently, whether it be a report outlining current abuse
trends, or a death. This is not meant to be an accurate depiction of
actual abuse trends because of various unknown factors, but provides a
glimpse into the areas where the media is drawing attention to DXM
abuse. The deaths, however, which are listed in red, are very accurate,
but does not necessarily reflect trends of DXM abuse in those areas. If
you have a news report you'd like us to add to this section, or know of a
news article that pertains to DXM abuse, please contact the Zine via
email at
[email protected].
DXM Murder.
A murder was reported in Hempfield Twnshp, near Pittsburgh, PA, in the
Tribune-Review
on June 5. The murder allegedly took place in April and was linked to
the victim's brother, who was high on Coricidin at the time and thought
his brother was a homosexual. DXM-related violence is rare, except for
some cases of animal cruelty. Paul Peirce, the reporter, can be reached
at
[email protected].
Ian Bishop, 14, also wanted to kill his parents, and murdered his only sibling with a claw hammer.
Suspicious DXM Childrens' Deaths.
From
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn....00.html
we have an amazing story by Sarah Huntley, Rocky Mountain News August
16, 2002 - Aurora detectives are zeroing in on the possibility that two
young children found dead in their beds last week ingested lethal doses
of cough syrup, the Rocky Mountain News has learned. The continuing
investigation stems from the results of toxicology tests, which have not
been made public, and medications taken from the family's home during a
police search. Investigators declined to comment Thursday, and court
files remain under seal, but the News has learned that police are
researching dextromethorphan, a key ingredient in many over-the-counter
medications. Dextromethorphan is a cough suppressant often found in
multisymptom cold relievers. The label on Children's NyQuil says parents
with children younger than 6 (under 48 pounds) should consult a doctor
first. The family of the Henderson siblings acknowledged Thursday that
the children's parents are aware of the theory of a possible cough syrup
overdose. But Harold Wood, the children's grand-uncle, said the kids'
father, who was home with Rhapsody and Killian the day they died, told
relatives he did not give them anything. Wood said that does not mean,
however, that the children couldn't have ingested another product that
had been tampered with or "gotten into something themselves." "These are
smart children," he said, pointing out that they likely would have been
able to overcome a childproof cap. Wood said the parents have hired an
attorney because they are being hounded by police. Neither parent has a
criminal history, and there is no indication that social services has
had any previous contact with the family. Several neighbors have said
the children's mother, Fay Henderson, 28, was hysterical and screaming,
"They're dead," when she came running out of her home in the 16100 block
of East Bethany Place at about 5:30 p.m. on Aug. 8. Police have
indicated they are still evaluating the toxicology test results received
Wednesday and have more questions to ask the parents and others before
any decision is made in the investigation. The District Attorney's
Office declined to comment Thursday.
Rap Artists Blamed.
FOX13 news out of Tampa, FL is attacking several rap artists, such as
Big Moe, for mentioning cough syrup in their lyrics. None of the lyrics
refer specifically to DXM, yet the entire I-TEAM report is about DXM.
According to Glenn Selig, the music industry is glamorizing DXM abuse -
which is far from the truth.
http://www.wtvt.com/investreptr/cough-syrup.html
Coricidin Alert.
Southwest and Central Virginia has issued an alert to parents about
Coricidin. They also post a Families Anonymous number for concerned
parents, and Kroger stores have started putting the medication behind
the counter.
Research Chemicals.
In a USA Today article (
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20020723/4297826s.htm
) about research chemicals, DXM is mentioned, but not by name:
"Dealers also try to pass off pain relievers, caffeine,
amphetamines and a chemical used in cough suppressant as Ecstasy."
Phoenix, AZ.
In Phoenix, AZ two local TV stations ran an Investigative report on
local DXM usage by teens. The first one was by Adam Symson of KNXV and
the video may still be available online at
http://www.knxv.com
; however only the video is available, and there is no transcription
of it - you also cannot download it, only view it. If you'd like to
contact Mr. Symson to learn more about the news report contact him at
[email protected]
. One interesting thing mentioned in the news report was the fact that
you could mix DXM powder into a glass of water - since most viewers
don't even know powder form is available, this coverage is probably
causing more harm than good. The second TV station, which interviewed
Robert F. Golaszewski, inadvertently cast all DXM in a bad spotlight
instead of just Coricidin. In fact, most Internet sites report DXM
causes liver damage - and this just isn't true.
Mesa, AZ.
In a
Tribune
article by Emma Thompson, also near Phoenix, reports that teenage
Coricidin abuse is on the rise there and it is most oftenly referred to
as
Skittles
out west. The Poison Control in Phoenix has received 13 calls since
Jan. 1 regarding DXM overdoses, 30 calls in 2001 and 25 in 2000, all
involving minors for the most part. There is no current push to curb its
abuse - DXM is still not tracked in any national drug studies and not
screened for in drug tests. However, local pharmacies are putting
Coricidin products behind the counter - cough syrup, however, is a
different story.
Chicago, IL.
WGN-TV has done a report on Coricidin alerting parents to its danger,
which resulted after a teenager ended up near-death in the hospital
from a Coricidin OD. The alert does not cover other forms of DXM.
DXM ON THE INTERNET
compiled by gravol, void
Some old news to report here - but many of you have not heard this
before, so I will briefly mention it. Biotech, which was previously one
of the best-known suppliers of DXM, was run by an ex restaurant waiter
and was busted for selling an illegal drugs through the mail - ketamine.
No further information is available.
Florence, KY
. "Xanodyne Pharmacal, Inc. announced today that it has acquired
the cough product DexAlone� (dextromethorphan hydrobromide) from DexGen
Pharmaceuticals. DexAlone is a unique, non-narcotic cough suppressant
gelcap with a well-established safety and efficacy profile for the
treatment of non-productive cough. DexAlone contains the active
ingredient dextromethorphan which is considered one of the most
effective and safest antitussives available. DexAlone provides an
effective, easy-to-swallow and convenient option for treating cough
without the drawbacks of messy liquid cough syrups and the concerns
posed by narcotic cough products."
http://www.xanodyne.com/pr071802.htm
THE FUTURE OF DXM - SOME GROUNDBREAKING RESEARCH
ALTERING THE DXM MOLECULE IN A WAY NOBODY EVER HAS BEFORE
by James Clayton Roberts
[
Author's Note and Disclaimer:
I furnish these experimental ideas for informational and
entertainment purposes only. Do not attempt to follow these formulas, or
make these products. Do not ingest or otherwise bring DXM or any of
it's derivatives into contact with your or anyone else's body. Any
attempt to make the product of these formulas would be foolhardy, and
possibly illegal. Thus, the author can take absolutely no
responsibility for anything anyone may do as a result of coming into
contact with this information. All of this goes double for the
publisher. The publisher is making this information available for
entertainment and educational purposes only.]
[
Editor's Note:
The following section is a first for the DXM community - altering the
DXM molecule in ways that have never been attempted to my knowledge, and
altering it in such a way that could change the way we view DXM
forever. Just like with tryptamines, there are many possible and endless
variations and derivatives that can be synthesized. James Clayton
Roberts, who is 34 years of age, is attempting to do something that will
be groundbreaking to say the least. Some of the information is
technical and if you are not well versed in organic chemistry, may even
be hard to follow. I have added my own notes, where necessary, to try to
bring things in perspective for a beginner. It is also not suggested
you try any of this without consulting Mr. Roberts first, as he is a
professional and knows what he is doing. I plan to bring future updates
with each new issue of this zine to bring you up-to-date on these
remarkable possibilities.]
Introduction
What would happen if you inserted an iodine atom into DXM? Is it
possible? What would the effects and ensuing molecular structure be? We
will attempt to answer some of these exciting questions in this article.
There is actually a simple, cheap synthesis on Rhodium's drug chemistry
archive for inserting an iodine atom into a methoxy amphetamine. It
uses only alcohol, silver sulfate, and iodine. In theory, this will work
with the DXM molecule because DXM has a methoxy group on it's benzene
ring as well. It kind of follows the model of phenethylamines. In fact I
predict that
iodo-DXM
will be very potent and with much weirder effects. Change-the-world-type-stuff. And you read it here first!
[
Editor's Note:
Iodine is the least active member of the halogen family - at room
temperature, it is a solid and consists of purplish-black crystals. It
would probably the the most difficult chemical to get because it is used
in meth synthesis. Silver sulfate can be expensive, but it can also be
made, which would probably be a better route to go if you're low on
funds.]
More on the Methoxy Group
Most psychedelics have a methoxy group. As far as inserting the iodine
atom, 4-iodo 2,5 dimethoxy amphetamine and phenethylamine seem rather
potent, so there's no reason why
iodo-DXM
wouldn't be. Other drugs that this type of substitution would work on
would be Methoxy-tryptamines, but certain synthesis examples for
melatonergic drugs suggest that the iodine might end up at the
2-position, which, nevertheless makes the melatonin derivatives more
competitive for the melatonin receptor. Methoxy phenylpiperazines would
also be a candidate for substitution with iodine using this method. If
anyone does try it before I get the chance, I suggest starting at less
than 0.5 mg, as Shulgin did with certain tryptamines.
Other Ways to Change the DXM Molecule
I wouldn't mind sticking some alkyl groups on there somewhere, or
changing the methoxy to methallyloxy. See Shulgin's PIHKAL reference for
the methallyloxy phenethylamine or amphetamine derivative - "I am
surrounded by unreality. Much too much too much." It's too bad the
methoxy group and open positions on the benzene ring are the only
amenable places for change.
Changing the methyl on the nitrogen to a longer group
might be interesting. Iodination of methoxy opiates might be a
possibility with this method I mentioned, with an attendant increase in
potency and changes in effects. The methyl group on the oxygen could be
removed by boiling DXM free base in phosphoric acid for three days or
with concentrated HCL under reduced pressure for less time. Then,
heating with an alkyl halide and a base.
Figure one shows where the iodine atom can go to on the DXM molecule
(the benzene ring). The link for the synthesis reference is:
http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/doisynth.html .
The DXM would have to be converted to the free base first, but this is
relatively simple and there are formulas on the web for that. Other
possibilities include the use of liquid chlorine to plant a chlorine
atom on the ring (see PIHKAL for an example), or the use of N--bromo
succinimide. If you plant a chlorine atom on the ring the resulting
chemical would be
chloro-DXM
. N--bromo succinimide is a brominating agent, used to add bromine to
benzene rings. The resulting chemical from that synthesis would be
bromo-DXM
.
[
Editor's Note:
Chlorine is the second-most active member of the halogen family. It
is typically a gas so liquid chlorine would have to be used for this
method, and it is very expensive and difficult to get.]
Figure two shows the other point for possible change, the methoxy
group. Removing the methyl group from the oxygen can be done in one of
two (or more) ways. First, and more difficult, is to boil, or reflux the
DXM free base in concentrated phosphoric acid for 72 hours, then
neutralize the acid with an alkali hydroxide, like sodium hydroxide
(lye), or ammonia solution, then extract with an organic solvent. This
comes from a book called
Recreational Drugs
, by Professor Buzz. It is a quantitative chemical technique, called a
methoxyl determination, used to discern the composition of a material.
The book, by the way, that section deals with the making of DXM's levo
isomer, Levo-Dromoran, a potent opiate. The other method, the easier
de-methylation method, can be found here:
http://www.third-plateau.org/knowledgebase/DXO.shtml
Figure three shows the results of removing the methoxy group. From
there a number of things can be done. The dextrorphan can be refluxed
with acetic or butyric anhydride to make the corresponding alkyloxy
derivatives. This is the manner in which heroin is made from morphine.
It takes about 72 hours. O-acetyl dextrorphan should be very potent. The
active principle here is that acetylating it makes it more fat soluble,
thus it gets into the system better and faster. Note the differences in
potency between morphine and heroin. A more fat-soluble drug is called
lipophilic (fat-loving), while a water-soluble drug is called
hydrophilic (water loving).
The other thing that can be done with the hydroxy group
is to stick an alkyl group onto it. These rections are somewhat
analogous to those found in TIHKAL for the N-alkylation of tryptamine
(making DMT, DET or DIPT from tryptamine). The Dextrorphan free base is
heated with an alkyl halide (methyl-, ethyl- or propyl- bromide or
iodide) and a base which is a stronger base than the Dextrorphan in a
solvent. The separation of the product from the reaction mixture is also
largely analogous to the aforementioned references. The bromine or
iodine atom leaves the alkyl halide and bonds to the stronger base,
while the alkyl part joins to the oxygen. Dextromethorphan can be made
this way from Dextrorphan. Once you are familiar with the reaction, the
derivatives that can be had are limited in number only by one's
imagination, the facts of organic synthesis, and one's funds for and the
availability of alkyl halides of differing structures.
Alkyl halides that contain oxygen, or sulfur in ring
systems, can also be used, and some of this can be seen in the reactions
outlined in PIHKAL and TIHKAL by Alexander Shulgin. Some synthesis of
this kind will fail, but I have a strong belief based on the literature
that more will succeed than fail. Other alternatives that involve more
expensive, difficult to handle or suspicious reagents include the use of
sodium alkylates, like sodium ethylate, and organic sulfates, like
propyl sulfate.
It is important to remember that these are general
methods that can be adapted to other compounds which have a benzene ring
with a methoxy group attached to it.
Finally, there are other ways to alter the DXM molecule.
If you remove the methyl group from the oxygen atom and replace it with
another group, you would change the name from dexro*meth*orphan to say,
dextroethorphan
(ethyl) or
dextroproporphan
(propyl) or
dextrobutorphan
(butyl). Each should have a somewhat different profile of activity.
Conclusion
There is still yet a lot of research to be done in this field. To put
things in perspective, look at all the tryptamine derivatives there have
been, and think of how potent and different they all are. Now apply
this to DXM and you have an endless sea of possiblities, with only your
own imagination being the limit.
(C)opyright 2002, James Clayton Roberts. The idea of
iodo-dextromethorphan is the intellectual property of James Clayton
Roberts. I am putting this idea into the public domain as a patentable
concept. I intend to patent it. All rights expressly reserved under UCC
1-205 and 1-207, without prejudice.
James Clayton Roberts, who wishes to christen this new drug (
iodo-DXM
) as "Forgiveness," can be reached at
[email protected]
.
THE FIRST DXM NOVEL
A PRECEDENT IN THE DXM COMMUNITY ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE
by --- Edited Out By Authors Request -----
[
Editor's Note:
I have included one sample chapter and part of another for your
enjoyment of what is about to become the first DXM novel. The novel is
still in its beginning stages and it will no doubt be a monumental task.
I have dedicated part of my time to editing the novel so I apologize if
I haven't been editing as much with the Zine's articles lately. I'm
sure you will enjoy it once it's complete!]
Chapter 1 - The Plasma Center
There I sat with David another bitter December morning at the
plasma center. David's face moist with yellow sweat, his skin ashen, and
his eyes distant from last night's 12 oz. of cough syrup. All I could
think about was getting my 15 bucks and getting the fuck out of there.
Donating one of my bodily fluids to get a cough syrup fix! If it were a
sperm bank it wouldn't have been so bad, but plasma! 15 dollars was just
enough for 2 bottles of Robitussin Maximum strength or 3 bottles of the
generic cherry elixir and a pack of smokes. I hated generic cough
syrup. I mean it did about the same thing as the name brand stuff but it
was an arduous task to get the generic down.
"Valentine, William Valentine" The woman at the counter
snapped. I walked over to the counter I knew the routine I rolled up
both of my selves. "Our you are intravenous drug user?"
"No."
"Have you tested positive for HIV?"
"No".
"Do you have hepatitis?"
"No" I answered. The whole time I was thinking to myself is this really worth 15 bucks?
"Give me your right finger," so I held it out. She wiped
it with an alcohol swab and then pricked my finger and gathered the
blood. When never I am in a place like this it never fails some asshole
to start a conversation with me. Why me? There are 40 other people in
this place and some weirdo always has to tell me his life story or ask
me for spare change.
"How is it going?" I tried to ignore the putrid voice he
moves in closer. "How is it going?" I squinted my eyes and looked at him
and said nothing. A tattoo of a dragon slithered out of his terry cloth
shirt and wrapped around his neck a red bandana was tided around his
head, and long greasy hair adorned his crippled shoulders. I could feel
the bench start to vibrate.
"Are you fucking with me you little prick? Listen brother
no one fucks with Leroy." Vomit breath had a name. Leroy ripped his
shirt off and looked me in the eyes. I could feel my stomach plummet and
the blood rush to my face my eyes welled up with tears.
"You see this? Look at this." Seven scares, which
appeared to be old bullet holes in a diagonal line crossed his chest and
stared back at me. "You know what this is?" I didn't say a word I sat
there motionless. I was wondering how this guy was held together
he should have been sawed asunder by the wounds.
"Cambodia motherfucker!" Oh shit here we go. I looked
back at him; he was all red and pulsing by now. I spoke sympathetically,
"Look man I am sorry I just don't feel like talking right now!"
He waits a few seconds and begins to relax. I looked at
David; he was a stone and didn't say a word. The guy next to him was
sitting in a small pool of urine. I heard my name over the intercom and
walked hastily back to the pincushion room.
Free orange juice and a cookie was the only good thing
about this place. I hated donating plasma; it always made me nauseous.
45 minutes passed and David and I collected our $15 and left.
Outside the air was crisp while I lit up a smoke.
"That sucked...I hate doing that." I shivered.
"I am sick of all this shit David".
David looked at me, then surmised "Maybe we can score a bag".
I glared at David... "With $30 bucks!? How the fuck are
we going to do that? 30 bucks won't even get us an 8th".
David was sick of all the bullshit too. "Fuck it dude!
Lets just get our cough syrup and go to the mall". I agreed with him. We
walked over the rusted railroad tracks past the homeless shelter to a
small drug store. My eyes scanned for any new developments in the world
of cough remedies - maybe some day they would make some kind of syrup
that would be easier to choke down. Nothing caught my eye, just the
usual suspects - Robitussin Maximum Strength, generic maximum strength
and Vicks Formula 44D. I grabbed 2 four oz. bottles of Robitussin. This
stuff was really nasty tasting but it did the trick. Vicks was an
acquired taste and not for the weak of stomach.
The 5 rules of buying cough elixirs:
1. It must contain at least 15 mg of dextromethorphan
2. Don't buy anything with guaffenesin
3. Don't buy anything contain something you have never heard.
4. Don't pay attention to inactive ingredients that more than likely won't hurt you.
5. Never ever under any circumstances try to steal cough syrup of any kind; you will get busted!
We bought our tussin and headed outside. A haze of melancholy resided
over Salt Lake City. It was very dreary and depressing in the
winter... like an old penal colony. I felt like a prisoner behind
the Zion curtain. David cracked the seal on his cough syrup and drank
the whole bottle in two gulps. I opened my tussin and gagged it down. We
walked past several dispossessed people sitting on the sidewalk. The
burning and wrenching in my stomach slowly turned to a gentle warm
kitten and everything began to take on a pastel-like fuzziness.
The warm kitten in my belly melted into electric honey and
flowed though the arteries in my legs down to my feet, and suddenly I
could feel the warm honey rush to my head. Through my Wonka Vision
I could make out magnificent snowflakes hitting the earth. Lifeless
trees and brown grass glided by.
David looked at me and asked, "Are you tripping?"
I nodded my head and grinned. We walked under the
overpass and out of the cover of my eye I could see hump of black
clothes. I told David to stop and I pointed to the black pile.
David looked, "It's just a junkie on the nod."
I jerked away "No that is a dead guy". I walked closer to the corpse while David lurked behind me.
"Dude let's get the fuck out of here!"
"No!" I yelled at him, "I want to see it, I have never
seen a real dead guy." As I got closer to the body I could see a
syringe sticking out of his arm it was filled with black blood his skin
was sallow and frozen.. I stood hovering over the dead junky. I opened
his trench coat and found a small black case and a baggy of white power.
I fumbled through his pockets and found a wad of 100-dollar bills. I
looked at David.
"Score!" I slowly pulled the syringe from this unyielding frozen arm.
David wheezed, "What are you doing? Are you crazy? you're
going to get AIDS or some shit!" I reassured David things where okay
while I unzipped the leather case and looked inside it to find the whole
works: spoon, extra needles, lighter, cotton balls and surgical tubing.
I placed the bloody syringe carefully in the case.
David pleaded with me, "Lets get out of here! Someone is
going to find us". I agreed and we started to jog towards the mall.
David asked, "What are you going to do with the hypo
and the baggy"?
I replied, "I don't know, maybe sell it or I might slam the shit."
David laughed, "are you fucking nuts? You have never slammed anything before!"
"I am going to clean the hypo then try some of it. Or maybe we could find a guinea pig."
David stopped walking "I will try it." I paused for a moment.
"Are you sure? We need to clean this hypo first," David agreed. "Lets go to the pharmacy in the mall."
We walked for about 15 minutes through the cold and slush
until we reached the mall. Once we were inside the mall David went into
the drugstore and came out with a bottle of rubbing alcohol. Time to go
to the roof. We floated like specters across the mall to the elevator
and rode it to the roof and hid in a ventilation tunnel. David had
discovered the small tunnel on the roof of the mall some time ago; it
lead to a network of old ventilation ducts. David and I spent a lot of
time in the duct, as we practically lived there. No one seemed to know
about it and if they did they never came to check it out.
It was snowing very heavily the sky was a gray pink
color. We sat down in the duct while David fumbled around in the dark
and found his flashlight. David handed me the alcohol I dropped the hypo
into the bottle as the old blood slowly melted away and turned the
alcohol a black-red color. When I was sure the hypo was clean I dumped
the bottle out.
David asked, "What next? Do you know how to do this?" I
told him I knew a girl that was a junkie back in cosmology school. I had
watched her slam shit all of the time.
I pulled out the baggy and small leather case. I unzipped
the case and took out the spoon, cotton, lighter and tubing.
David took his coat off and rolled up the sleeve on his right arm.
"David are you sure you want to do this?" David nodded
yes. I tied the rubber tubing around his biceps. "Pump your fist until I
can see your veins bulge out." I went outside and grabbed a handful of
snow and put a piece of it into the spoon. I pinched a small amount of
the power out of the baggy and put it on the piece of snow and held the
lighter under the spoon. The snow melted quickly and started to boil. I
ripped off a piece cotton and dropped it into the mixture, then I drew
the junk into the hypo. I looked David in the eyes and said "Are you
sure you want this?"
He replied, "Just fix me up before I change my mind." I
tapped the inside of David's arm as a fat blue-green vein surfaced. I
slowly poked the needle into the vein and pushed the plunger. Blood drew
back into the hypo and David loosened the tourniquet his shoulders
dropped and his eyes glazed over and rolled back onto his head, then
slid slowly onto the tin floor. The first thing I felt was complete
terror.
Oh shit I killed him I fixed him up and killed poor David.
I grasped David's face; spit was flowing from his open
mouth. "David! Wake up! David! David!" David nonchalantly shook his head
and pushed me away. Words slurred, "I am okay Willy... just a little
sick."
As soon as he said Willy I knew he was going to be fine.
He was the only one who ever called me Willy. Most people call me
William. No one called me Bill, I hated the name Bill.
"Are you ok David? Are you high?" Hoowaa, hooowaaa David
vomited a huge pool of cherry cough syrup into his lap. "Oh shit! Dude
get up and go out side. David wrestled with gravity as he pulled himself
up. He crawled on his hands and knees out of the duct. I started wiping
vomit up with some of David's old clothes. The duct was putrid
with David's vomit. I climbed out and found David propped up against a
blue Pinto.
"Come back into the duct man, your going to be okay," I
said in a calm voice. I helped David back into the duct and laid him on
his back. While cooking up a shot I found a fat vein and pushed the
needle into my arm. I could feel the junk penetrate all the cells in my
body. With the needle dangling in my arm I closed my eyes. I
could feel my body float; black and white pictures strobe in my head.
Several hours had passed before I woke from my junk coma.
David was lying in a pool of spit. I grabbed his arm and laid him back
against the wall.
"David, wake up. You have to wake up."
His eyelids fluttered and opened, "I told you I am ok. I just need to rest."
I shook David, "I want to get out of here, it stinks and
it's cold." David slowly crawled out of the duct into the snow.
"Let's got to Mike's place," I whispered. "Why
are
you whispering? I told you I feel fine." The roof was covered with
soft white powder. It was 1:00 am and the sky was a hazy pink color.
Snowflakes blew past the lights on the roof.
(C)opyright 2002
Chapter 2 will appear in Issue 15. For more information on the novel, you may contact its author at
[email protected].
A DXM SHORT STORY
by DeX
Another user has also contacted me regarding some DXM fiction. I have
included it here, though I am unaware that it is a part of anything
larger. The author should not be confused with -DeX-, who is the author
of the article following this.
Sacrifice
Sacrin Sweet with the bitterness of poison, yes I do beleive it was a
vision sent to me by Gaia herself. Plasmatic lights pulsating her face
just outside my windsheild. The road passed me slower and slower until
it just about stopped. As the lights merged into one, blinding me
softly, the candy I shot into my veins pulsed deep into my posterior
cingulate cortex - bliss - the clock tick... tick.....
ticked....... as my auto passed through the protective barrier like a
silk veil. Sliding slowly passing me to whatever lay beyond.
Somewhere between conciousness and subconciousness
windchimes rang deep beside me. As I sat up a woman I once knew before,
perhaps in a passed life, bathed in the river. The sun painted the sky
pink and her skin glowed in the ether-real light, while she, or the sun
highlit the glitter-cotten as it drifted into the water, flowing
downstream.
When our eyesmet the messanger forced me to see how I got
to this place. Flashing before me the scale, reading 5 grams with a
white substance, a spoon, a silver zippo, a bottle of DXM, half empty,
and a needle. I should be dead. I am dead... or is this another chemical
induced delirium? The messanger brought be back, and I was releived. As
soon as she did she vanished into a white light and faded.
And there I sat, somewhere betwene bliss and apathy, not
that I did not care, it was that I did not mind. I didn't mind "where I
was" or "that I am" And for the first time in my life I did not mind who
I was. Years passed by yet I had no desire to move. It was a perpetual
spring, even when the snow was covering the ground.
Sometimes a newt or turtle would stop and visit. But any
refrence to elsewhere the creatures could not comprehend. As if they had
always been at this place, such a concept was too abstract. Soon i
stopped remembering the sting of the needle, the sweat of withdrawl. I
stopped wondering myself.
You may contact this author at
[email protected].
BLAST FROM THE PAST: TRIPPING IN A
HAUNTED
MANSION
THE GHOSTS OF PUNDERSON MANOR AND THE MOST INTENSE WEEKEND OF MY LIFE, ALL THANKS TO DXM
by gravol
[Editor's Note: This story, authored by yours truly, originally
appeared in Issue 2 and everything in it is true. This was the most
intense time I ever had - in fact, I was in a trance for days following
my adventure as if my dopamine levels were all depleted and nothing
could shock me anymore. I still believe this place has malevolent
forces, though many others feel the ghosts are just pranksters. Whatever
the case, it's not worth losing your life over.]
Present Day
I was searching Usenet for information on Punderson State Park to see
if anyone else had experienced anything traumatic there. I had already
dug up a bunch of juicy facts on the place while I lived up in Ohio. In
fact, the night manager of the 70's is still classified as a missing
person and nobody knows what happened to him. Perhaps at the bottom of
Punderson Lake. I went to the library and researched books that were
centuries old and discovered a slew of murders and suicides that took
place in the park, along with tragedies, like a tavern full of
schoolchildren burning to death on the other end of the lake.
So, it was no surprise to me to see yet another untimely
death had occurred there. I was reading the alt.rv.pop-up-trailers
newsgroups and found the following chilling facts in a dialogue between
two campers:
It seems a microburst blew through punderson state park Saturday evening killing a 54 year old woman in a pop up camper. I planned to camp at punderson this weekend but did not due to an illness with my six year old. But my nephew and his 15 yr old son were there and also they were one of the first on the scene of the accident. Here is his story :"He and his wife and 3 children (1,12,15,) were making dinner outside and a storm was coming up he had a weather radio and new thunderstorm warnings were out and selected to eat inside. A big gust of wind came through and caused the camper to move from side to side. Trees were crashing in the forest around him, and this lasted for only aminute. After the wind he heard calls of help from the woods above. A tree had fallen on a pop-up and a person was trapped. Being the person that he is he immediately went to help taking his 15 yr. old son with him. When he got to the scene he could not reconize the camper and tried to assess the damage, people from every where were coming to help. Axes, chainsaws, gas powered circular saws were used by fellow campers to freeher. Being an ex EMT and being there at that time ment he would be first to see the damage done by the tree, It was fast and fatal, He thought of his son seeing a dead person, he thought of her loved ones, and he thought ofhis wife.They improvised a backboard from an end bunk and carried her towards the entrance of the campground. But he knew there was no hope...
...Winter 1997
P
underson Manor sits atop a large hill overlooking eerie Punderson
Lake, all surrounded by dense woods and a vast nothingness named
Punderson State Park, about 35 miles east of Cleveland. But it is more
than just the frightening experience of this English style tudor mansion
that caught my attention...it is also the fact that it is haunted.
There are hundreds of sightings, but some of the more
notable include a teenage girl who drowned in the lake in 1977 and was
seen slowly walking back out of the water covered with seaweed a few
weeks later by a band of gypsies who knew nothing of the original
drowning. The girl walked a few feet on the shore of the lake, then
returned to the dark and murky waters and disappeared. And then there
were three night employees of the lodge finding a large man, fingers
twitching, hanging by a noose that disappeared somewhere near the
ceiling of the Cherry Dining Room, and being so horrified at this
gruesome sight that they all three remained in shock at the foot of the
winding staircase watching the apparition until sunrise.
After reading about the park in
Haunted Ohio II
by Chris Woodyard, and paying a few visits to the ancient place, I
finally decided to get a room and crash there with four other friends
for the weekend - and with a hefty supply of DXM.
The day I arrived, Friday, only one friend was with
me...Jake. The other three would arrive later that night. I waited down
in the lobby for some time, then I overheard a man at the front desk
talking to an employee: it seems that at 2am the previous night his
lights, television, and faucets went on and off, scaring the hell out of
him and his wife...and he happened to be staying in the room just
across the hall from ours.
I went back upstairs and hung out with Jake until finally
well after dark my other three friends arrived: Mike, Jeremy, and
Steve.
The first night was spent smoking a lot of weed and being
on moderate doses of DXM. Jeremy ended up passing out, which left us
four to roam the dark house alone. The night desk clerk downstairs
looked like a vampire from The Lost Boys, which scared my friends, but
he agreed to take us up into the Tower (which has been shut off from the
public for years). Upon ascending the narrow staircase he warned us of a
large bat that makes its home up there (he was very serious in
everything he spoke of and refused to go up without a large flashlight
to beat the thing with in case it attacked him). I was already
developing a nice speech impairment from the DXM and my friends were
quite edgy, especially since it all appeared to be dreamlike. Well,
actually, this dream seemed more likea nightmare as every minute passed.
The Tower was dark and abandoned, littered with old lodge
supplies and furniture. It was also rumored that the guy who built the
lodge hung himself up here, but there's no substantial evidence to that.
Anyway, we were all exploring the dismal place when the vampire-guy
inadvertently (or so we thought) opened up a small closet door while
mumbling to himself, "What's in here?" He shined the flashlight beam
inside it.
My friend Mike stood back in utter shock. Inside was an
old dusty mirror and written on it was "GET THESE DAMN KIDS OUT OF MY
HOUSE"... Mike later told me he had read it and seen his own reflection
just at the same time and it drove him over the edge of sanity and into
sheer terror. To me, it wasn't that big of a deal... I tried to stay
mellow.
Our little midnight tour commenced and we found ourselves
back in our room with a passed-out Jeremy trying to come up with new
things to do. I think at one point we went down to the Game Room
(adjoining the basement on the new side of the manor) and played with a
large keyboard that seemed to fascinate Steve the most. The Game Room
was vast and open, surrounded half by windows peering into the nearby
woods and half by a brick wall which masked the basement on the other
side. We later jumped out of our hides at a strange sound from the other
smaller adjacent arcade room, but that was most likely just a pinball
machine beeping away.
We eventually retired back to our room, lit a candle in
front of a mirror, listened to the radio and just talked while we came
down off the trip. It seemed like hours went by, and I remember just as
the first hint of daylight shone through our tiny window, the candle
wick burnt to its last breath and distinguished into a smoky haze. The
night was over.
T
hat morning Jeremy and Steve decided to go back into Akron (a good
hour's drive) and do some catching up to do with their friends while
Mike, Jake and I all stayed behind. That day we explored the surrounding
woods and lake, finding some interesting contraptions and shelters
built with tangled branches but nothing too obscure.
After our winterland escapade we retired back inside,
bored. Went down to the Game Room and was messing around with the pool
table.
Suddenly someone comes walking in... I couldn't believe
my eyes - a beautiful waitress/employee no older than 17 who was
assigned to dismantle some chairs from a previous night's meeting (you
see, lots of companies reserve board rooms and the Game Room for their
business gatherings). I no longer remember her name, but we all four
talked a great deal... she mentioned how people were different and stuck
up at this place and how she attended a local high school. We invited
her up to our room later on after she got off work and she said she'd
see about it (she was quite shy). She eventually had to leave as to not
get in trouble. To us, it was the only warm moment spent in this eerie
mansion... and it truly was the last time all of us actually enjoyed a
good laugh, a good conversation, and a beautiful hostess, while outside
the windows snow gently fell and caressed the surrounding fields and
woods. You see, it was as if the place was becoming increasingly evil
towards us... everyone from employees and guests to the house itself.
Let me explain...
Mike and Jake were already reporting to me weird looks by
lodge employees and other people inside the lodge... and even moody
attitudes brought against us as if we were outsiders. Perhaps it was the
DXM playing with our head, but I highly doubt it. Twice, we had heard
very strange things: once, while coming in from outside, Mike and I
ascended the front steps and heard someone talking from the kitchen
portion of the manor - it was just an ordinary conversation that I knew
we had heard wrong (we could barely even make out what was being said up
until that point) - but that's just it - we both heard the same
impossible thing: "You're gonna die." We just looked at each other after
it was said and began to say "Did you hear tha..." That was all it took
and I knew Mike had heard it too.
And again wihle walking up through the narrow hallway in
the old section of the manor (by our room) Jake and I overheard a
conversation from behind a closed door which we passed (from the same
room coincidentally that the guest had reported strange occurrences to
the front desk clerk) - this time we heard "You're dead."
And if that wasn't enough to drive us insane, while we
were back in our room the TV shuts off by itself as I'm sitting on the
bed watching it. I was the closest to the TV and remote and I know it
shut off by itself. We turned it on again without a problem. By this
time we were all beginning to get scared, but the worst was yet to come.
Most of us came under the impression that we were drawn
together here for a reason... it was destiny. I've never felt such a
strong feeling of fate in my life. We felt as if we were unlocking the
hidden mysteries of our life in this old manor. It was truly amazing to
say the least.
I am going to conclude our little hellish experience
below, and I'd like to say that everything I write is the sole truth, so
help me God.
J
eremy and Steve came back that night. We told them about the girl we
met down in the Game Room (which they thought we were lying about) and
we took a drive to the nearest town, Newbury, to sort of get away and
find some more Coricidin. We also got pretty high from smoking lots of
pot in the car. Of course, all the stores were closed and we were out in
the middle of nowhere (nothing but dense woods and hills surrounded
this part of Ohio) so we decided to head back. As we returned back down
that twisting road of Route 87, I remember the sky to this day... it
looked dark and hellish, with little hints of red towards the horizon
(the sun was going down) but otherwise a deep bluish-black shroud of
death... and our destination being the House of Hell itself.
We got back and made due with the DXM we had. Jeremy,
however, was going to go back later that night down to his college dorm
because of classes the following Monday and having to study for a test.
We were all five chilling in the room and had just come out of the
bathroom with a mild DXM buzz from smoking more pot when Jake reached
down on the floor to pick up his sweatshirt but instead held up a pair
of ancient-looking keys that looked like they belonged to a medieval
English dungeon. He later told us it was as if he "just reached through
some dimension and grabbed the keys and brought them back into this
dimension." To this day not one of us knows where they actually came
from.
Then to make matters worse the phone in our room rang
once. Then dead silence. I could tell Jeremy was starting to question
what the hell was going on, and he wasn't even on DXM. Plus Jeremy never
was afraid of anything supernatural. Some time passed after trying to
figure out where the keys came from and then Jake said "maybe it's a
sign that we're going to jail - "...
Just then there was a knock on our door. What the hell! I
personally thought it was the cops, but I didn't know what to expect...
nobody knew us up here! I was closest to the door, so they made me open
it. I couldn't believe my eyes as the door swung open...
I
t was the brown-haired girl that we had met down in the Game Room and
she had brought her blonde-headed friend. We all talked a while and she
explained how they got our information from the front desk and ended up
trying to call up here, but changed their mind and decided to come up
instead. But I could tell that Mike and Jake were past the Point of No
Return when it comes to being deathly afraid on DXM: Mike (who works in
construction) was on the bed face-down with a pillow over his head
mumbling how he wanted to go home.
The girls eventually went down to the Game Room to play
some pool and invited us down but we had to ditch them. Most everyone
was too fucked up to leave the room. Mike was begging Jeremy to take him
along back into town that night, but in the end he stayed and Jeremy
left.
We tripped hard that night. Still in shock over the turn
of events that Mike so perfectly put: out of our control. We were on DXM
and it seemed that from the time Jake picked up those keys there was no
control left. We were at the mercy of what brought us here to begin
with... fate. I remember the next morning, Sunday, and abandoning the
room and sneaking out because of long distance calls we had made on the
phone in the room and just the overall feeling of being watched. It was
like escaping from a haunted house.. actually, that's exactly what it
was.
I was the second-to-last one out. As I creeped down the
spiral staircase, I could hear the overture from Phantom of the Opera
playing on the player piano next to the bar. I never felt so good to get
out of anyplace in my entire life!
We got out alright. And that's all that mattered.
I
t was such a tremendous mindblowing, earthshattering experience that
for the next few days I'd just stare off into space and go into trances
every few minutes at just remembering what happened up there.
That weekend was not just an experience... it was an epic encounter of pure terror in the eyes of DXM itself.
If you would like more info on Punderson Manor or its hauntings,
please write to me and I will be glad to pass along any info.
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE PLATEAUS OF DXM
ONE USER'S DEFINITION OF DXM AND ITS MANY PLATEAUS
by -DeX-
Perhaps the most interesting things that I can recall from my DXM
experience is it's spiritual aspects. While many use DMX on a "party
attitude" I believe personally that this is a great waste of a perfectly
good "ethenogenic chemical". Perhaps this is why so many dislike the
sigma plateau, they are simply not ready for it.
Unlike many other experinces that I read about in regard
to chemical highs, DXM seems to have a very organic side to it, and with
it's slow ups and fast comedowns DXM is a nearly perfect drug, and
would be perfect except it's highly addictive qualities.
None the less, I believe my experience on DXM is what the
here after would be like. I believe I have touched into past life
experiences, and deepened my understanding of my close friend who I
tripped with. DXM made me highly aware of Gaia, the "life force" energy
that as far as I know is conceptualized in buddhism (yes and Final
Fantasy). I could feel the trees, people, and everything else living
around me, in particular at the "beta" plateau.
This was strongest in a cedar grove which we would
commonly visit in the Portland area, the sense was so strong it
overwhelmed me.
Another spiritual aspect is the ESP experinced that is
common with DXM use. In the beta and sigma plateaus, little needed to be
said, as i could "feel" everything that my friend was feeling and
thinking. Everything could be expressed by sending emotional keys to the
other person. The only other time I have experienced this was with a
girlfriend who I was very close to very quickly. Both I believe were
friends, maybe lovers in past lives.
I do not think that a DXM trip is "full of lies" like
chemical hallucinegens and euphorants like extacy. For this reason it is
more like ethenogens like peyote and psychedelic animeta mushrooms. And
in the right context, DXM can, and is enlightening. Unfortunatly, this
drug is addictive like I said above... and for this reason I am not
certain it's role in spirituality as addiction is damaging to the
spirit.
The fourth plateau we call "z" or "zetah". Here I had a
strong feeling of disaproval by Gaia and her gods. Like I was not
allowed to visit here or that I was not ready. That my punishment was
anxiety and blockage from further spiritual enlightenment like I was
being forced "out the door" but the chemical kept me in. I felt trapped
distant from my surroundings, but still heavy in a drug induced haze.
Perhaps I am crazy still. But I do believe several things
that i gained while on DXM. That I lived in at least one passed life.
That I died at an early age. That Q from star trek is infact real (not
that their name is Q or is on this plane of existance as we are, but
still somehow related Gaia) That Gaia is Godess, and she has other gods
and goddeses within her.
DXM is an amazing drug, unfortunatly too many cannot
understand just how incredible it is, due to the fact they are looking
for "fun" and not enlightenment. While I believe this is wasteful, to
each his own. Happy Dexing, no matter your intentions.
You can contact the author of this article at
[email protected].
CHICO CHEMICAL INTERVIEW
WACKYCRACKA GOES STRAIGHT TO THE SOURCE
by Wackycracka
[
Editor's Note:
Wackyacracka conducts a series of interviews with various players in the 'Legal High' scene.
http://www.wackycracka.com & http://simcityunderground.com
- next he will interview players in the Herbal X scene.]
August 9, 2002 3:45PM
Larry: Marketing Director, Chico Chemical
http://www.chicochemical.com
Wackycracka: Thank you for agreeing to this interview. First of all,
can you explain a little bit about Chico Chemical and what you do there?
ChicoChemical: We are a bulk chemical reseller. We buy from major
pharmaceutical companies in bulk and resell the product in smaller
quantities as a service to small researchers.
WC: So, you do no actual manufacturing of the chemicals you sell?
CC: That's right. We buy from manufacturers. There are only so many
licensed manufacturers in the world for the products we carry. I'm sure
the people we buy from are some of the same people that your major drug
companies and brands buy from. We just focus on the smaller scale.
WC: Approximately how many customers do you have in the US and internationally?
CC: Well, our total customers number in the hundreds. International customers make up maybe 10% of that.
WC: You say you cater mostly to small researchers. How is your relationship with your customers?
CC: It's a very good relationship. We have several repeat customers,
to date we've recieved no complaints or problems. Our focus is on small
researchers so there's lots of room for communication and the response
has been very positive. They know we take our customers needs seriously,
and the lines are wide open. So, if there ever was a problem, they know
it will be taken care of.
WC: One of the products you carry is Dextromethorphan HBr. Is Chico
Chemical aware of the abuse of DXM as a recreational drug?
CC: Potential for abuse is a reality for anything whether it's
Dextromethorphan or alcohol or even cigarettes. As it relates to our
liability I can only say that in America we have a system of laws and
regulations that govern our actions. It is the intent of Chico Chemical,
it's officers, principles, etc. to stay within those laws and
regulations. As we understand it, the manufacture of Dextromethorphan is
regulated by the FDA. Each manufacturer must make application for
approval of it's product for sale in the USA. The product we purchase as
been approved by the FDA. Chico Chemical merely resells this product.
In the course of our business we comply with FDA labeling
requirements... and our products are, of course, sold for use only has
labeled.
WC: Has Chico Chemical ever been contacted by law enforcement or other
regulatory officials regarding Dextromethorphan sales?
CC: No, never by law enforcement. We are in contact with the FDA
whenever we need to release our product from the manufaturers, or check
up on labeling requirements. Aside from that, no.
WC: Are there any policies regarding who you can sell your products to?
CC: I'm not aware of any law or regulation that limits the sale of any
product we sell. Our policy as a company is to sell only to adults who
agree to our terms of sale and comply with their local laws, but that is
our decision, not a regulation.
WC: What type of facility do you have? (sterility, quality control, etc)
CC: Our repackaging is done in a completely sterile environment. With a
company our size dealing with the quantities we have, that comes down
to a "glove box" - basically a sterile container with a glass top, with
gloves on the side for handling things inside. Actually, we're in
negotiations right now with a third party to have our packaging done
off-site.
WC: As of now you only offer two products on your website,
Dextromethorphan HBR and caffeine. Any plans to expand your product
line?
CC: About a year or so ago we had several more products available on
the website, but we've since cut it down to just caffeine and
Dextromethorphan. We have no plans to expand the site right now.
WC: I think that about answers all my questions for now. Thanks very much for agreeing to speak with Wackycracka.com
CC: Thank you.
Be on the lookout for more interviews next week! I've contacted 3 other suppliers, and so far 2 have responded!!
�2002 Wackycracka.com All rights reserved. Reproduction or redistribution prohibited without permission.
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THE REPORT THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE - NEW RESEARCH ON OLNEY'S LESIONS - A
DXM ZINE
EXCLUSIVE
A NEW LOOK AT OLNEY'S LESIONS AND RESEARCH, AND HOW IT MAY DIFFER WITH PREVIOUS RESEARCH, v1.3
by Walkaway
[
Editor's Note:
This research has been viewed and verified to be accurate by Dr. J.M.
Olney himself, and is highly provocative in nature since it flies in
the face of what a few "trusted" researchers are pandering to the DXM
community. It is, of course, up to the reader to decide - but the
evidence is presented here for you in an unbiased look at the issues at
hand - Olney's Lesions and brain damage allegedly caused by DXM or other
dissociatives.]
"O
ne must also make note of the severely limited nature of
Mr. White's
and
Mr. Golaszewski's
user samples. Even excluding issues of
deliberate fraud
on the part of William White and Mr. Golaszewski and/or deliberate
fraud on the part of those self-reporting symptoms of brain damage,
neither Mr. White nor Mr. Golaszewski are doctors, neither has examined
any of the relevant persons, and we have only their interpretation of
semi-anonymous reports from supposed persons with supposed functional
difficulties as a consequence of their supposed NMDA antagonist use.
"
I
n November of 1998, William E. White (who may be viewed, for better or
worse, as the one-man Gracie and Zarkov of DXM) issued a rather
startling (and ultimately alarmist) paper with the fallacious title,
This is Your Brain on Dissociatives: The Bad News is Finally In. (one
can only note with amusement that despite the provocative title, the
document is labeled version 0.1 - here we have a pre-release document
being bandied about the Internet as though it were the Alpha and Omega
of discussion on this issue) The subsequent detrimental effect to
intelligent discussion of dissociatives has been quite large -
especially due to the efforts of one Robert F. Golaszewski (who may be
viewed, for better or worse, as the one-man Fisher and Ungerleider of
DXM), who has reported White's entirely circumstantial case as though it
were ex cathedra, all under the aegis of "harm reduction."
As I hope to demonstrate in this paper,
the state of the evidence in 1998 did not indicate the conclusion at
which White arrived (nor does the state of the evidence indicate such a
conclusion today). As noted above, White's case, as presented, was
entirely circumstantial. His anecdotal method of determining
brain damage (i.e., someone e-mailing to say, "I broke my head!") is
neither statistically significant nor methodologically sound. The
bold leaps of logic, contortions (or, sometimes, outright distortions)
of evidence to fit the frame of the model, and generally hysterical tone
allow for many possible interpretations of the intent underlying this
document, but one cannot conclude that White was seeking to aid in the
reasoned discussion of dissociative use by publishing such a poorly
researched and poorly argued document. (Contrasting the style of this
later, poorly pieced together memorandum and the encyclopedic
information gathered in the FAQ leaves one to wonder what had changed in
Mr. White's attitudes towards dissociative use in general, and DXM use
in particular)
THE ARGUMENT
D
issociatives definitely cause brain damage if used heavily. One
sub-anesthetic "line dose" of ketamine, an equivalent dose of PCP, or a
third plateau DXM dose, is probably at least as damaging to your brain
as a few day "bender" on hard liquor, and possibly more so because it
affects specific areas of the brain.
The risk of brain damage is worse the longer you stay high at any
given time; constant moderate-dose use is probably just as damaging as a
brief, high-dose use.
Reaching the anesthetic level is exceedingly hard on your
brain. Ketamine is probably the least harmful, PCP the most, and DXM
somewhere in the middle, but this is a rough guesstimate. Nitrous oxide
is brief acting, but it too may be dangerous; it is also known to damage
both central and peripheral nerves by depleting vitamin B12.
-William White, 28 November 1998
NMDA-antagonist Neurotoxicity (NAN, or, colloquially, "Olney's
Lesions") is a form of neuronal injury in rodents (tested species
include rats, mice, and guinea pigs; by extension, perhaps additional
species of animals) Reversible toxic changes (vacuoles in the posterior
cingulate/retrosplenial cortex) appear in the brains of treated rodents
at different concentrations of different dissociatives. With
ketamine, these changes appear to begin developing at 40 mg/kg. A
much higher dose (with ketamine, 100mg/) some irreversible cell death
could be seen, but the Neurotoxicity of ketamine (in rats) does not
progress beyond this point. Later studies confirmed that PCP (in
female rats, a single 50 mg/kg dose5) and MK-801 (at doses of 10 mg/kg
intraperitoneally6; toxic changes began appearing at 1 mg/kg7) also
caused these permanent toxic changes (in rodents). Later testing
with a variety of NMDA-antagonists (including DXO, the active metabolite
of DXM), showed that this seems to be a general property of these
agents (in rodents).
The effects of NMDA-antagonists ("dissociatives") in rodents thus
appear to be quite frightening. Here we have substances that
actually put holes in the head of some animal species � an eerie real
world parallel to many common anti-drug themes. ("Any questions?")
Indeed, in discussing the mechanism by which NAN occurs, William
White stated:
To put it bluntly, taking excessive doses of dissociatives make certain
parts of your brain fry like the proverbial egg-on-the-frying-pan in the
"This is Your Brain on Drugs" commercial.
-William
White, 28 November 1998
White's chief apologist,
Mr. Golaszewski
, stated that:
DXM really does fry brains.
-Robert F. Gozalewski, 25th of May, 2000
This is, in fact, precisely the issue in dispute. How do
NMDA-antagonists affect human brains? It is quite apparent that
the brains of rodents do not fare well against appropriate doses of
NMDA-antagonists. How will human users fare? In regard to
the question of the relevance of NMDA-antagonist Neurotoxicity to human
users, J.W. Olney and Nuri Farber replied:
The evidence is that ketamine and many other NMDA antagonists that have been
tested in humans, cause an acute disturbance in neural circuitry that leads
to psychotic manifestations.� These same drugs cause the same disturbance in
neural circuitry in rats and when we look at their brains we see evidence
for physical neuronal injury.� Since no one has looked at the brains of
humans immediately after administering these drugs, we do not know
whether the physical neuronal injury occurs.
-J.W. Olney, 28 January 2002
The quick and easy answer is that we do not know.� The reason is that one
cannot study the brain of a human in an adequate fashion after exposure to a
NMDA antagonist.� Since there are no data on humans, I do not see how
anybody can be "certain" one way or another� Based on the totality of
the evidence I have concerns that NAN can occur in the human brain.
-Nuri Farber, 15 April 2002
The "bad news" is not in yet. Nor is "the good news."
The evidence is equivocal in both directions. The known
"facts," as of this date, are as follows: NMDA-antagonists can cause
severe brain damage in rodents. This brain damage manifests itself in
permanent learning deficits in the treated animals. Many heavy users of
PCP, ketamine, and/or DXM report substantial cognitive difficulties
following the cessation of use.
It is possible to develop a circumstantial case that the
cognitive difficulties in question are due to NMDA-antagonist
Neurotoxicity. However, it must be remembered that this case is,
at this date, entirely (and extremely) circumstantial. Some point
to the common stereotype of the "dusthead" as proof that PCP (and, by
extension, ketamine, DXM, etc.,) produces permanent brain damage, and
that, in turn, this brain damage is NAN. Unfortunately, for the
above construction, PCP has additional modes of possible neurotoxic
activity, and it is not clear that PCP use is responsible for (as
opposed to being a symptom of) various emotional and cognitive
disorders.
The literature on PCP "abuse" notes that problems of cognitive
organization may persist for up to 12 months following the cessation of
use. If we were looking at a phenomenon similar to that seen in
rats, we would be looking at permanent problems with learning: memory
and attention span should show irreversible deficits. The fact
that a significant number (if not the vast majority) of users display no
consequential functional change in behavior should, at the very least,
leave us wary about jumping to conclusions. (I should also point out
that such a length of time for recovery may reflect the fact that real
brain damage has occurred, and that the human brain is able to
eventually at least somewhat adjust to such damage)
A further problem with such a circumstantial case is that it
relies on the inaccurate assumption that correlation necessarily
demonstrates causation, and that furthermore such correlation specifies
causation of a certain kind. Many heavy LSD users demonstrate a
stereotypical "burn out" syndrome, but there is no evidence that LSD
causes permanent alterations in the physical structure of the brain.
Even more strongly, some former users of LSD complain about their
brains being "perma-fried" due to LSD use. Using similar logic to
that advocated by Mr. White and Mr. Golaszewski, we might argue that LSD
has been anecdotally demonstrated to cause brain damage, that the bad
news is in, and that all we await now is the scientific confirmation of
the mechanism. It does not take a master logician to spot the
structural flaws in this argument.
Mr. White's case was also fleshed out by discussions of the
manner in which reported impairments corresponded to areas of the brain
that would be affected by NAN. Modern science has little
understanding of the manner in which the human brain works, and no
understanding of the manner in which the human brain works if affected
by NAN. That this section was quite largely guesswork is revealed
through Mr. White's near continual use of such qualifiers as "might,"
"may be," and, in one particular instance, "totally unfounded hunch."
Wild (if informed) speculation coupled with circumstantial
"evidence" is, perhaps, interesting to think about while. It is
certainly not the final word on a subject.
Mr. White himself took a far more balanced tack in his DXM FAQ
version 4.02 (an exhaustive reference work on most relevant issues
surrounding DXM use):
Obviously there are still a lot of questions to be answered. The most
important for human users of dissociatives is whether this type of
damage can occur at recreational levels, and if so, what can be done
about it.
Let's review the evidence both for and against Olney's lesions
in human users of dissociatives. First, the evidence for. The posterior
cingulate and retrosplenial cortex (PC and RC) are involved in skills
which seem to be impaired in regular users of dissociatives. Olney's
lesions occur at doses several times the recreational dose, but that's
at one dose of the drug; repeated doses of lower amounts may cause the
same damage. Olney's lesions are also only generally visible when large
numbers of cells are destroyed, and they're significant enough to be
visible under the microscope. Finally, conditions which increase the
likelihood of Olney's lesions, such as less than ideal blood circulation
to the brain, large amounts of glucose (like that found in cough
syrup), concurrent use of stimulants, physical stress, hypertension, and
the like, are all commonly found in drug users, who don't tend to be
the healthiest lot (this is a generalization, of course).
On the other hand, Olney's lesions have never been found at
human recreational levels, and DXM has received little attention.
Ketamine users, some of whom have used ketamine for many years, don't
typically show mental impairment. Even the few DXM users who do show
impairment typically return to normal after staying off DXM for several
months, and at least one paper suggests the mental impairment from
dissociatives may be caused by depression, not brain damage
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/
dxm/faq/dxm_refs.shtml
.DXM is typically found in hydrobromide form, and bromide is a CNS
depressant and may prevent damage to the PC/RC (incidentally, that's not
the reason DXM HBr is used; DXM HBr just happens to be more
water-soluble than any other form). DXM syrups usually contain alcohol,
which also depresses the CNS. And, the lower plateaus of DXM are
equivalent to doses of ketamine and PCP lower than commonly used
recreationally.
Weighing the two sides I personally believe that moderate use of
dissociatives is probably no harder on your brain cells than moderate
use of alcohol or amphetamines (I said moderate use, not some five day
fry-yer-brain speed freak binge), and that if you use DXM sparingly
(e.g., once or twice a month at lower plateaus, maybe once or twice a
year at upper plateaus), you'll be just fine. In fact, I've never known
anyone to suffer lasting impairment even after going through a few
months of weekly DXM use at upper plateaus. But I could be wrong! Mild
brain damage has a nasty way of showing up years later when you've
forgotten about the stupid things you did when you were young.
--William White, 1998
THE EVIDENCE
O
ne must also make note of the severely limited nature of Mr. White's
and Mr. Golaszewski's user samples. Even excluding issues of
deliberate fraud on the part of William White and Mr. Golaszewski (which
I consider to be highly unlikely, though, I suppose, possible) and/or
deliberate fraud on the part of those self-reporting symptoms of brain
damage (and, from posts at the Third Plateau, the Dextroverse, and
Google, it is clear that such may occur at least some of the time; an
Internet user who frequents both of the aforementioned forums, as well
as Usenet groups who posts under the name "xganon" recently admitted to
falsifying DXM harm reports sent to Mr. Golaszewski), neither Mr. White
nor Mr. Golaszewski are doctors, neither has examined any of the
relevant persons, and we have only their interpretation of
semi-anonymous reports from supposed persons with supposed functional
difficulties as a consequence of their supposed NMDA antagonist use.
This is evidence? We have no indication that these
supposed persons didn't have said supposed functional difficulties
before said supposed NMDA antagonist use, or that said supposed
functional difficulties did not simply happen after said supposed NMDA
antagonist use. A fact which might be relevant in viewing some of
these cases is that it is a relatively common tendency on the part of
those suffering severe mental disorders to blame their problems on past
drug use, whether factual, or in the case of people claiming their
drinks had been "spiked" with some sort of mind-altering drug, such as
LSD. As Mr. White himself noted, at least one study has found that
NMDA antagonist related cognitive difficulties may be related to
depression. We also have no indication of the length of time that
these supposed persons had abstained from their supposed use of NMDA
antagonists. At what point do we differentiate data from gossip?
In the DXM FAQ, Mr. White stated that, "Out of approximately
five hundred current and former DXM users I have heard from, three have
suffered lasting cognitive impairment." By the time of the
publication of the NAN document, Mr. White was claiming that, "Since
publishing the DXM FAQ, I've heard from dozens of people who have used
dissociatives (mostly DXM, but also ketamine and PCP) and had lasting
impairment." (too bad that this number is not specified beyond "dozens,"
nor is it specified if there had been a similar dramatic increase in
the size of his database) Mr. Golaszewski has specified, I
believed, some 14 cases of possible brain damage out of "over a
thousand" user reports. The reader has little context in which to
place such seemingly quite rare reports, and so, in the end, the weight
of "the evidence" amounts to very little. (to be fair, Mr. Golaszewski
has stated that he now believes brain damage from use of DXM to be quite
rare)
Since it is nearly impossible to contact the mysterious Mr.
White these days, Mr. Golaszewski has become the chief exponent of this
position - an odd role, since it apparently includes refusing to offer
any substantiation for said position other than "I say so." Mr.
Golaszewski has several times publicly claimed that the risk of NAN
occurring in humans justifies the direst public pronouncements, in order
to prevent people from developing NAN. While his motives are,
perhaps, admirable, his actions are certainly not relevant to reasoned
discussion of these matters. There are a number of relevant
reasons to severely limit or completely abstain from the "recreational"
use of NMDA antagonists, but lying, or extremely exaggerating the risks
is the strategy of DARE and its ilk, and such a strategy will, in the
end, be just as ineffective in reaching those who need to hear about the
established dangers of these drugs.
As for Mr. Golaszewski's "data" I feel that his sample may have an
additional flaw that was perhaps not (so strongly) present for that of
Mr. White, which is that Mr. White's paper itself has primed the "target
audience" to interpret very real cognitive and general psychological
changes resultant from their NMDA antagonist use as being indicative of
"brain damage." This model is at least worthy of consideration in
light of Mr. Golaszewski's quite vocal efforts to warn of this "danger":
to some extent, his campaign may end up creating cases from thin air.
It is a commonplace of college philosophy courses that
correlation does not prove causation, but here we are asked to accept
that correlation does prove causation, because of some supposed urgent
public health danger, which in fact, has not been demonstrated to exist
at all. Mr. White and Mr. Golaszewski's position on "harm
reduction" boils down to exaggerating the dangers of substances in order
to promote their "responsible" use "Harm reduction" is a noble concept,
and the efforts of persons such as William White, RFG, and others of
their ilk are presumably not intended to be anti-drug propaganda pieces �
but that is precisely what they become.
An example where Mr. White went beyond the level of simple
exaggeration and engaged in completely unfounded speculation was when he
stated that:
"Drugs which may make Olney's Lesions worse: Yohimbine and yohimbe
(and other alpha-2 antagonists) may dramatically increase the brain
damage! These should be avoided at all costs. Major tranquilizers
(antipsychotics) may specifically increase damage to certain areas.
Anticholinergic deliriants (atropine, scopolamine, and anti-nausea
drugs) may increase damage to the hippocampus. This may include
antihistamine-anticholinergics including the DXM-antihistamine
preparation Coricidin!"
The last statement is, in fact, incorrect: To determine whether
anticholinergic agents can protect against the neurotoxic effects of
noncompetitive NMDA antagonists other than MK 801, we treated six rats
with a neurotoxic dose (5 mg/kg sc) of PCP and six rats with this dose
of PCP plus scopolamine (0.5 mg/kg ip) and killed the animals 4 hours
later. All of the rats treated with PCP alone had conspicuous vacuolar
changes in cingulate and retrosplenial cortical neurons, whereas none of
the rats treated with PCP plus scopolamine had such changes.
In order for NMDA antagonists to be optimally useful as
neuroprotective agents in conditions such as stroke, it may be necessary
to use relatively large doses. Therefore, we conducted experiments to
determine whether the dose of anticholinergic agent required to prevent
neurotoxic side effects of a low dose of NMDA antagonist would also
protect against a high dose. It required 0.25 mg/kg ip scopolamine to
prevent the neurotoxic side effects in 100% of treated rats (n = 6)
after a relatively low dose of MK 801 (0.4 mg/kg sc); therefore, we
treated adult rats with this dose of scopolamine plus a high dose of MK
801 (5 mg/kg sc) and found that it prevented the neurotoxic side effect
in all animals (n = 6), whereas all controls (n = 6) that received the
high dose of MK 801 by itself had a severe vacuole reaction in cingulate
retrosplenial cortical neurons.
Using a chick embryo retina assay, we conducted experiments to
determine whether anticholinergic drugs interfere with the
neuroprotective actions of NMDA antagonists. We have shown that the
neurotoxic action of NMDA (120 mM) in the chick retina is prevented by
adding 200 nM MK 801 to the incubation medium. Therefore, we incubated
the chick retina in medium containing NMDA (120 mM) and MK 801 (200 nM)
and added scopolamine in various concentrations from 10 to 50 mM.
Scopolamine did not interfere with the ability of MK 801 to prevent NMDA
neurotoxicity. Thus, a tissue concentration of scopolamine 250 times
higher than that of MK 801 does not interfere with the neuroprotective
properties of MK 801, whereas a dose of scopolamine only 1/20 as high as
the MK 801 dose prevented the neurotoxic side effects of MK 801 in
rodent cortex.
The competitive NMDA antagonist D AP5, when injected into the
cingulate cortex, causes a neurotoxic reaction identical to that caused
by systemic MK 801 or PCP (3). In the present study, we extended these
experiments to include systemic administration of 3 [(+) 2
carboxypiperazin 4 yl]-propyl 1 phosphonic acid (CPP), a competitive
NMDA antagonist that is more potent than D AP5. Intravenous (iv)
administration of CPP in a dose of 50 mg/kg caused a vacuole reaction in
six of six rats that was identical to the reaction in six of six
positive controls that received MK 801 (0.4 mg/kg sc) and was not
present in six of six controls treated with normal saline.
Administration of scopolamine (0.5 mg/kg ip) 10 min after CPP (50 mg/kg
iv) prevented this reaction in six of six rats.
--J.
W. Olney et al. 6 December 1991
Thus, if anything, available evidence would tend to indicate
that Coricidin users would be at less risk of developing NAN, rather
than more. This is not to suggest that use of Coricidin is wise �
available evidence indicates that its use is more likely to provoke
allergic reactions, memory impairment, and delusional behavior than
other DXM preparations. There have been several reports of deaths
involving the use of this substance, and while many of them involved
multiple substance combinations (i.e., booze, heroin, and/or any number
of other drugs in addition to the Coricidin), it is clear that this
preparation poses a greater health risk than DXM itself. (which has, in
very high doses, been known to cause death) It would seem that Mr. White
exaggerated (or even fabricated) the dangers here in support of his
otherwise laudable campaign of discouraging Coricidin use. This
preparation has very real dangers attendant to its use, but invoking
hypothetical (or even non-factual) "dangers" to dissuade potential users
is, ultimately, a self-defeating tactic.
Doctor Karl Jansen, based in London, perhaps the world's
foremost expert on ketamine use, recently published a book which is
essential reading for anyone concerned with issues surrounding NMDA
antagonist use. In Ketamine: Dreams and Realities, Doctor Jansen
comprehensively documents both the beneficial and detrimental effects
that people report in the use of this substance. It is his opinion
that the issue of NAN in humans has been overblown.
NEXT ISSUE: PART 2 OF THIS PROVOCATIVE REPORT, with EXCERPTS FROM DOCTOR KARL JANSEN'S
KETAMINE: DREAMS AND REALITIES.
You may contact the author of this article at
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OPINIONS OF DXM IN THE MIDWEST
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DXM CULTURE IN THE MIDWEST UNITED STATES
by Marc Eriksen
Dextromethorphan culture has sprung up all across the world, dating
back to the 60's and is rising out of the underground. Though where is
the mid-west life in the middle of this era? I, Marc, live in the
mid-west, though i was born in California i've lived in Illinois since I
was 11 years of age. Up until the beginning of 2002 I really wasn't
interested in any drugs at all. I had started drinking alcohol a
bit and going to parties, but the idea of doing drugs was still out of
the question. That is until I heard cough syrup could get you high, so I
did my research.
The mid-west is kinda strange when it comes to bringing
up radical ideas up. Most of them are used to your basic drugs
like marijuana, speed, meth, and etc. So I tried to start out by
telling a friend of mine who was addicted to coke and meth. I
thought maybe he might be understanding of it, and that he'd try it with
me. Well as it turns out, he thought it was insane and pure
stupidity to drink cough syrup to get high. He was quoted as
saying, "Why would you do something like that when there are so many
drugs much more pure then that?" From that day forth he
lambasted me with jokes about drinking cough syrup. So I went to
another friend of mine. This time it was someone who had no
knowledge of drugs. Another drug-free teen like, I myself once
was. He was kinda skeptical about the idea, so I made a deal with
him (thought i don't remember what it was). He said he'd think
about it.
It really wasnt until about 2 months later that we gave
it thought to drink cough syrup for the first time. It was
Christmas night and we got pretty excited about trying it out, so i went
to a gas station convience store and bought a 4oz of robotussin dm.
Since the cough medecine was so expensive there, I thought maybe I
should just buy one and we could split it. So we did our share of
syrup in shots out of the measuring cup it came with. about an
hour later we were stumped. Nothing was happening, so we went to
sleep, just as we did we started to feel something, but we shook it off
as being nothing and went to sleep. I still regret that day as not
being able to exprience my first trip (even if it was at the
threshold).
Though my first real trip was on my b-day, and I had a
few friends spend the night, my drug-free friend and i both bought a 4oz
of equate brand tussin. My other two friends didn't like the idea of
it, and said they'd watch us. One of the them was a party guy who
liked to drink a lot, the other a christian with values. The trip was
fun none the less, especially the dancing.
A major mistake of mine was my first attempted with a 4oz
maximum strength robotussin. Before this I had only used 4oz
Equate brand Tussin, and one 8oz Equate Tussin (which part of it i puked
up). Long story short I was tripping balls. Before this I
had wanted to make this my last trip on cough syrup, because it didn't
seem to be doing a whole lot but after this my whole perspective on it
changed. I woke up the next morning on what is known by most
dex'ers as an afterglow. This was my first time experiencing this,
and I had no idea it could happen, so I went to work still tripping.
It was a scary experience, filled with paranoia and guilt.
Months of cough syrup drinking followed. I became a
junkie, doing one 4oz of maximum strength every week, from january
26th-the 3rd week of april. I experimented with afterglows at school,
and day trips. All worth while and interesting. Why did I stop all
of the sudden? Only because someone was sending me some pure dxm in the
mail, and I was told a three week break would be best before tripping
off of pure (note: it was 700-800mg). When I finally recieved my
powder I was overjoyed and used it that night in a mixture of warm green
tea. Of course I expected the horrible taste, but I downed it anyway.
It was a night of insanity.
After awhile i got back into my old habits of doing dxm
once a week. At the end of April, another friend of mine decided to try
dxm for the second time (his first time was a disappointment with no
results). Though he would only do it if my other dex friend did an
8oz of Maximum Strength robo (which he was going to do that night
anyway). He did a 4oz of max strength and I was the trip sitter. I
watched those two roll around on the ground and trip to music etc.
After that, the friend swore that he didn't want to do it ever
again. He may have never done dxm again, but that doesn't mean he
was completely done with OTC (over-the-counter) drugs.
I learned of motion sickness pills (commonly known as
'dramamine'). After about a month of telling myself I wasn't going
to get into anything else, I finally gave in and did a 12pack of them.
It was interesting to say the least. My other friend (the
one who did coke and meth) did them too, but he had no effects while I
was tripping like crazy. That night while my trip was ending the
friend who had sworn never to do cough syrup again, tried them. It
was a night he'd regret, because an hour after taking them, he tried to
go to bed, but he couldn't because he was freaking out. A few
days later I talked to him and he had told me he was done with OTC drugs
forever. I said I wasn't going to do motion sickness pills again,
but I ended up doing them the next week. Since then I havent done
them.
Next came a something that I had been dreading. My
friend, the only one in this town of 1000 people besides me, decided he
wanted to quit doing dxm. He explained that he had a girlfriend
and he didn't want to mess things up with her. His other reason
was because the robo itch was terrible for him. So what did I do?
I gave it up all together as well. It went pretty well. I
felt good about it. Until I got a strong urge on our nation's
independence.
I needed it! So I thought the best way not to do
it, was to go to my friend, whom had quit, and spend the day with him.
We went to Wal-Mart and browsed the aisles. Then he said
something that surprised me, "hey man I feel like doing dxm." That
was music to my ears, so I quickly agreed and we bought a bottle of our
old friend; 4oz maximum strength robotussin and spent the night at his
place. Before dosing we experimented with grapefruit juice.
I drank a lot of it, while he drank a glass. It was well
worth it, we tripped well into the night, and it seemed to work really
well. From that day forth my friend decided he wasn't going to
quit anymore, he was going to try and hide it from his girlfriend
instead.
A few weeks later I tried marijuana. I think I was
hoping for too much though, as it didn't work as well as I thought it
would. I asked my friend who supplied the pot if he'd try dxm, he
said "no" and went on to say that he thought it wouldn't be right to
abuse something that wasn't meant to get you high.
Today I still use cough syrup to get high, though no one
here in my town really likes the idea of drinking cough syrup, I still
think it's the cheapiest way to get high, and it's really likeable.
During my first my time on dxm I have discovered who I am, tried
to crack the meaning of live (which my friend and I think we had done).
We believe the meaning of live is think for yourself and be your
own person. I have been more interested in the way of life and our
surroundings, why things happen. I have tried to find out more
about why I did things in my childhood, and why things aren't as
blissful as they once were. I now yearn for the simple things in my
childhood that I can never get back. All in all there have been
high times in my life as a dex'er, but I only look at the positive ones,
because as long as I like it, it shouldn't matter what the masses
think.
You can contact this author at
[email protected].
THE NEW TREND: CUTTING HEROIN WITH DXM
DXM IN MIXED WITH HEROIN AND OTHER ADULTERANTS SENDS 11 TO HOSPITAL IN PHILADELPHIA - THE STORY NO ONE HAS HEARD 'TIL NOW
Exclusive by gravol
This was from 1996, but it's surprising that nobody has heard of this
report, so I am publishing it in its entirety, along with further
references following it.
EmergencyNet News Service
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 10:30CDT
"Homicide" Heroin strikes Philadelphia; 11 Critical
By: Clark Staten
Chicago, IL, May 10, 1996 (ENN)-- Philadelphia paramedics had a busy
night last night. According to one veteran medic, they responded to more
than 116 calls for overdoses of a new heroin called "Homicide", or
"Super Buick." The exact pharmacological properties of the drug have not
been determined, but according to the medics it can cause extremely
violent behavior and has placed at least eleven (11) patients in
intensive care in a number of Philadelphia hospitals. Philly
medics say that as they ran from overdose call to overdose call, where
they were faced with incoherent and violent patients, who reported that
they thought they had taken "some 'horse' named 'Homicide'." The
streetname was previously unknown by police or paramedic sources in the
area, but one officer speculated that the drug could be heroin mixed
with PCP, an animal tranquilizer. The drug enforcement officer, who
asked not to be identified, said that such a mixture could account for
the violent behavior that was exhibited by any number of "Homicide"
victims. The officer cautioned, however, that a toxicological
examination must be done in order to actually identify the substance.
An normally reliable EMS source from the Philadelpia
suburbs told ENN that he believed that heroin was mixed with a "surgical
anesthetic" and may be similar to a streetdrug called "Tango &
Cash" which resulted in numerous overdoses in the New York City/New
Jersey area in 1994. It still remains unknown if this latest series of
incidents is related to the distribution of a drug called "Polo" or
"Death Shot", which caused a number of overdoses in New Jersey, New York
City, and Philadelphia in Feburary of this year.
ENN is gathering more information about how widely the
drug was distributed and if similar reports have been received from
other communities. Philadelphia police are said to be blanketing the
area where several overdoses occurred and are notifying known drug
abusers about the dangers of the drug. Extreme caution is recommended
when attempting to manage patients who have taken this drug. Several
emergency personnel and restraints may be needed to adequately assure
the patients and rescuers safety.
Parties that become aware of, and would like to report
similar overdoses, or would like to obtain additional information about
the emergence of this drug can contact us at:
Additional information that has been developed suggests
that a preliminary tox screen of the "Homicide or SuperBuick" has come
back, and it appears that it consists of Scopolamine, Heroin, Cocaine,
Dextromethorphan & Thiamine.
Another site on the Internet reports an even greater trend showing up in other Northeastern US cities:
Recent Pearls and Perils From the Literature
96
Scopolamine Poisoning among Heroin Users - New York City, Newark, Philadelphia, and Baltimore, 1995 and 1996
MMWR 1996;45(22):457-60.
Adulterants are commonly mixed or "cut" into heroin and cocaine to
increase profits and enhance the pharmacologic effect. Common inactive
adulterants are talc, mannitol, starch, and sugar. Potentially toxic
adulterants include quinine, strychnine, lidocaine, benzocaine,
ephedrine, and more recently scopolamine and dextromethorphan. Sometimes
adulterants are actually substituted for the active agent. This report
summarizes the cases of 367 heroin abusers presenting with symptoms of
scopolamine poisoning in four northeastern cities. The patients
presented in clusters. Their initial symptoms were either lethargy and
hypoventilation, or agitation with anticholinergic signs. After the
administration of naloxone they became agitated, combative and had signs
of anticholinergic poisoning. Physostigmine was effective in some
cases. The street names of these products are "Homicide", "Super Buick",
"Polo", "Point on Point", and "Sting". In this report, analysis of the
drug specimens revealed heroin and scopolamine or quinine, scopolamine
and dextromethorphan without heroin. Scopolamine poisoning results in
typical signs of anticholinergic poisoning with tachycardia, mydriasis,
warm dry skin and mucosa, urinary retention and decreased bowel sounds.
The symptoms of dextromethorphan poisoning (lethargy, miosis, and
decreased respiratory rate) closely mimic the symptoms seen following a
heroin overdose.
Currently, there is no other information as to whether this trend has
extended to other US cities but we will keep you informed.
MORE ON COMBINING DXM WITH TRYPTAMINES
AN AMT/DXM EXPERIENCE
by Anonymous
I noticed that you call upon readers that have tried any variety of
this combination to contact you. As a matter of fact, I can say
that I have in fact mixed DXM and AMT. I was just beginning to
come down off a loooong AMT trip, and my friend and I decided to make
hash. We realized we were a lot more intoxicated than we had
realized and had accidentally spilled out all of the rubbing alcohol
used as the solvent in the extraction in an attempt to extinguish the
massive patio fire that we had started (long story). Anyway, once
the fire was under control we were kinda bummed out about losing our
hash. So, we figured, lets knock back 250mg each, we have nothing
to lose. When we dosed it was about 4:30 AM (that AMT keeps you
up, I tell ya!). We popped in a Star Trek episode (Kirk era, too
bad I can't remember what episode it was). I didn't really focus
on the show at all, I let my mind run off and to tell you the truth I
can't really recall what was happening during this first episode.
When the tape had ended, we put on "Mirror, Mirror", one of the
*BEST* episodes ever and the DXM started to really kick in. I had
almost complete double vision and it felt like I was on a moderate 3rd
plateau trip. It seemed like the voices were somewhat hollow and
mumbled, and I found it EXTREMELY difficult to follow the plot (big
surprise). It felt like I was forgetting what a person was talking
about before they finished their sentence. It wore off faster
than any dose of DXM I've ever taken -- about 3.5 hours after we had
dosed. We spent the rest of the day just chilling around the
house.
Summary:
Body
-- total lethargy, don't expect to have the energy to do anything.
This may have been a result of the time (4:30AM) and not the
combo, but either way, this is the way it happened.
Mind
-- relax, take a break for a minute and just let everything clear
out. This had it's positive and negative aspects, in that it was
nice to feel so clear but I generally enjoy the feeling of thoughts
rushing through my head (AMT did that nicely earlier in the night, the
DXM somewhat spoiled that aspect of the trip for me).
Soul
-- this combo has no spiritual aspects, IMHO.
Not euphoric, per se. Interesting, yes, but I didn't really do
anything. I don't think that I even *would* be able to do
something on this combo, even watch a movie. DXM is better suited
for a lonely night. AMT is too happy to mix with DXM, and the DXM
definitely took the excitedness and body high away.
Overall, if someone offered me the combo for free and I
had nothing to do one night, I might consider doing it again. But
like I said, it didn't really strike me as "fun". I was DEFINITELY
intoxicated. If you're looking to just feel intoxicated, go for
it, but it's just not exactly what I'm looking for in drugs.
TWO EXPERIENCES INVOLVING DXM/5-MEO-DIPT "FOXY METHOXY"
Jesse Clark (
[email protected]
) writes "Yeah, I've done that; first time i did it i only did like,
25 mg foxy and a 4 oz bottle of robo (354 mg); later i did like, maybe
40-50 mg foxy with an 8 oz bottle of robo (708 mg). I doubt it
would be fun with powder dxm, powder dxm feels like shit anyways,
robitussin is much better."
"fict" (
[email protected]
) writes "Nod. 6 mg 5-MeO-DiPT with 175-200 mg DXM is not bad.
Very strange electric body feel. Almost opiate-like in some
aspects. Very weird. Any higher than this and things get
annoying. Mostly seemed to increase the body feel, more than anything."
If you have any experiences involving DXM with any tryptamine, please submit it to
[email protected].
THE GREAT DXM INTERNET DEBATE - DXM USED FOR DEPRESSION?
WHY BOTH SIDES ARE IN A HEATED BATTLE CONCERNING THE EFFECTS OF DXM USED TO TREAT ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION
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For months now, there has been a heated debate going on concerning the
use of DXM to treat certain forms of depression and anxiety. Those that
use it swear by its antidepressive effects. Others are adamantly
opposed to this spreading of "lies" and have taken a harsh stance
against those that claim it has helped them. They claim it's all
psychological. Psychological or not, if you take something thinking it
can treat your depression (as in a placebo effect), how bad could it
truly be? But the science of DXM must be an exact one, and that is why
any placebo effect is not worthy of a serious look at.
In one corner you have xganon and his DXM Antidepressant Page (
http://www.dextroverse.org/~xganon
) who publishes testimonials by people claiming that DXM has helped to
treat their symptoms. In the other corner is Robert F. Golaszewski, and
his DXM Harm Reduction Site (
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws
). One site is based on testimonials and personal opinion, and the
other site is based on technical information and undisputed fact - so
you can see why the two clash. However, I personally don't see what the
big deal is. People still claim benzodiazepines are a wonder drug, and
for many, it is. However, they're prescribed and recognized to only
treat short-term anxiety. Are those that claim otherwise and tout their
miraculous effects really out of their gorde? Or is there a grey area -
an answer that is neither black nor white - an answer that isn't even an
answer at all. Something that leaves more questions than answers.
For instance, I was sent an email by a 49-year-old woman
who uses DXM religiously for her depression. She states:
I'm 49, female, married, and have been playing with DXM for about 2
years. Before that it was primarily Rx opiates, like I said. I've been
thru the recovery trip and all that, only to find that I probably would
have stopped using abusively on my own anyway (I was never that hardcore
a user), and as it is I still use, obviously.
But back to DXM. You requested that anyone who had
experienced relief from depression with DXM use write to you. I have
definitely felt that effect! After my husband's death I was plunged into
grief, naturally, but also depression worse than anything I'd ever
experienced in my life. I have gone on to remarry a wonderful second
husband, but I still fight the depression. I would venture to say
that DXM actually has helped me with the grieving process; psychedelics
tend to give one insights, and that is just what I've experienced. I
feel that my grieving is over now, although I still love and miss my
first husband deeply. But I have become aware of my own inner "balance"
of chemicals and what DXM does for and to it. DXM quite definitely gives
me a serotonin boost and puts me in a very good place; that's really
why I take it. I have seen a psychiatrist and was very open about my DXM
use, and he put me on Wellbutrin, which has the same serotonin effect
without the high. I do note, however, that there is a distinct "dropoff"
6 hours after I take Wellbutrin, a mood slump if you will, but it
rebounds back to normal after about an hour.DXM does not do that to me;
it's more of a slow slide. I also note that I can control the effects
with various anti-anxiety drugs in the "pam" family (Valium, etc). The
main reason I want to control the effects is that I get a "restless leg"
syndrome if I don't take some sort of tranquilizer to come off the DXM
that is highly annoying.
For me, DXM is most definitely a stimulant. I don't sleep
well after taking DXM, even with the tranquilizers; in fact I tend to
stay awake all night. This effect keeps me from using it on a daily
basis (I'm a good little addict, LOL); I plan my highs for evenings when
I know that I don't have a lot going on the next day.
A drawback of DXM is mood swings. If I use too much, or
too frequently, I will swing from bliss to rage/depression/tears.
Usually I will rant and rave about and then dissolve into tears,
after which I calm down, exhausted and drained. Naturally this can cause
havoc in the household, so I try to "manage" myself to avoid
this. Needless to say, I don't enjoy it either.
It's ironic that, during all the years my first husband
and I used and "partied" with opiates, this drug was under our noses all
the time, legal and easily available. I know that he would have
responded to DXM just like I have; we were uncannily alike in that way.
It's kind of a case of "damn, if only we'd known!" The opiates don't
seem to work for me anymore, even before I took up with DXM; but I like
the feeling DXM gives me. I like the euphoria, the disassociation, the
detachment, and even the bit of numbness. I guess it fits my "observer"
personality. I sort of "watch" myself when I'm high. It's quite a
different high than opiates, though; of course it would be since this is
more of a psychedelic.
I have had "psychedelic", "mind-expanding" experiences on
DXM. I focus on music differently under its influence. I listened to
the Beatles' "Sargeant Pepper" album while good and high once, and I
finally "understood" it. They wrote it while high, and I don't think it
can be fully appreciated unless the listener is also high. I note also
that the insights I get on DXM stay with me, unlike those I used to get
with opiates. There is definitely something going on in the ole
brain-pan on this stuff!!
From her you can clearly see that DXM is beneficial for her as an
anti-depressant. From the opposite end of the spectrum, DXM can not be
taken seriously in the medical community as a valid anti-depressant
because it is an NMDA antagonist. Some people claim alcohol is too, and
alcohol has been used for centuries to treat anxiety, but it can have a
rebound effect. Let's look at some other testimonials:
Boris:
DXM does have a very powerful antidepressant and I guess antianxiety
effect. When I started using it I hadn't really known anything other
than being depressed and anxious and obsessively thinking about things
which weren't going right.
The DXM afterglow showed me what it's like to be relaxed and happy and
pay attention to beauty in the external world rather than be lost in
unpleasant thought.
However, I feel that I was sort of stuck when I used DXM
regularly (meaning every week or ever other week) because I didn't
really change much of anything in my life. It seemed like it was making
me very complacent.
I also suspect that after the afterglow wears off I felt worse than
before I took the DXM. However, I'm not sure if this is a chemical
effect. It may be that the afterglow disrupted the coping mechanisms
that I usually use to disconnect myself; there was no reason to
disconnect when I was happy. Then when it stopped I was more connected
with how bad I felt.
On a few occasions I tried repeated 1st plateau doses. A single 1st
plateau dose is not too impressive. However, if I take one dose in the
evening and the next dose early next afternoon the good effects sort of
build. It made me feel very normal. There wasn't that much of a DXM
effect, I mainly felt here, happy and relaxed. I was concerned that if I
continued this I'd develop addiction or tolerance so I didn't, but
perhaps I should have.
Right now I almost regret doing DXM. I got some very good
things out of a few trips, like the time that it permanently overcame
my unwillingness to go outside into nature alone, but I didn't get
anything out of the vast majority of trips. I think it sort of made me
complacent, doing more DXM instead of doing something with my life. I
guess that's my problem.
I am pretty sure that if I was doing any other psychedelic that
regularly something would have happened sooner. Even pot taught me
something and I stopped being a pothead in a few months.
Walkaway:
Use of DXM has helped me get through some of the worst periods of my
life. (I know that some will think that this is only the voice of
"escapism," but they really need to shut the fuck up and keep reading)
My father killed himself in May of 2000. My house was raided in
September of 2000. My friend Jake died in October of 2000. In December
of 2000, I ate 1.5 grams of DXM with my friend Lance. (now also dead,
from a car wreck; no drugs were involved) We were using DXM in
combination with ritual magick, hatha yoga, and several other
disciplines in an effort to completely reorient our perceptual systems.
At this point we had been deep in a binge for about a month. As the
"trip" came on, I started experiencing classical NDE phenomena.
High-speed tunnel travel, bright white lights, wide open spaces, etc.,
When I came out on the other side, my father and my friend Jake, as well
as everyone else I'd ever known who'd ever died were present. I sort of
stammered (telepathically, not verbally), "Dad, aren't you ead?" Dad
replied, "Cliff, you should know by now that no one ever dies." I don't
take any of this literally, necessrily, but it sure as hell helped me
not kill myself. If this weas all just a production of my brain, so be
it. But it was cool nonetheless.
Byron:
The topic of dxm and depression is interesting... I take dxm and
wellbutrin... w/o the wellbutrin I slowly sink back into the
depression... To paraphrase a psychiatrist I once had.:
"Depression is like drowning at sea. Anti-depressants are like a lifesaver that someone throws you. It keeps your head above water but doesn't get you into the boat. You need talk therapy to get you into the boat"
I would add with DXM, it not only gets me into the boat, but makes me captain and lets me steer the boat.
Mr. DXM:
I definitly would say that dxm makes me feel better but does not cure
my depression, also I am dual diagnosed (addiction and depression) yes
by a doctor and when my dxm use goes overboard i get more depressed but
when it's under control i'd say it relives mild clinical depression if
used once a week or less.
Sharplee:
you're on the right track with the whole dxm/antidepressant angle.
i've been experimenting with small maintenance doses under 100mg twice a
day, and without laying out all the details just yet, it works wonders
for depression as well as pain.
The host of the site, xganon, has this to say about his own personal experience with using DXM for depression and anxiety:
I once had several conditions that could be diagnosed as mental
disorders. In the past, I have been diagnosed with depression, attention
deficit disorder, mild autism, Asperger's syndrome, and possible some
sort of psychosis (my psychiatrist prescribed me Zyprexa, a
antipsychotic, and did not tell me what it was. My parents forbade me to
look it up. I did, and did not take it. I suspect conspiracy.).
Internally, I had many delusions, such as low self-esteem, need for
social interaction (which was delusional, because being autistic, I can
enjoy but do not require it), a obsession bordering on stalking with a
girl, irrational fear of any psychiatric medication, and many others.
Over a period of a year, DXM taught me how these
delusions worked and I learned how to conquer them. Some vanished
without a trace after my first few trips (like the obsession and the
fear of medication), others went away as a result of direct intervention
from real or hallucinated entities (such as the need for social
interaction), and still others were slowly counter-imprinted and deleted
over a period of time (like the self-esteem issues).
I still do not support many of the practices that
psychiatrists use in prescribing medication, but I don't believe that
taking Ritalin will steal my soul and turn me into a mindless robot any
more. Due to my newfound open-mindedness about medication, I started
taking Ritalin 3-4 months after I started using DXM, and was switched to
Adderall 9 months or so after that. Those helped greatly with the ADD
symptoms, which were one of the things that were making me unhappy.
Occasional DXM use helps me become more conscious of my autistic
behavior and choose whether to reinforce or avoid parts of it. The
psychosis has been greatly reduced, thanks to both the alleviation of
pre-existing delusions and new 'metaprograms' which help greatly in
preventing them from forming.
Here is my opinion about depression and it's treatment
with DXM self-programming. Please do not take it as unconditional truth.
Evaluate it like you evaluate everything someone tells you. Depression
is not a chemical imbalance. I consider modern psychiatry to have
redefined the term 'depression' almost completely. Depression may be
linked with serotonin deficiency, much like anger may be linked to high
levels of adrenaline. We don't say "high adrenaline levels cause anger
so let's put someone on adrenaline blockers if they get mad too often". I
think that the depression is cause either by external factors (which
are often recognized during the dissociative state and then dealt with
while sober or on a threshold dose), internal factors (such as a belief
in one's own inferiority), or a combination of the two. The belief in
one's inferiority is often so strong that it's a central tenet of one's
ego and belief system. A belief that persists only because of it's
inertia is a delusion. I've used DXM to clear those out by getting to a
state where I can bypass strong beliefs about myself and then
'de-imprinting' them by thinking the opposite regularly. If that means a
threshold dose every day, then I need a threshold dose every day. Once
one either naturally disowns that imprinted belief or is forced into it
by a mega-dose, the depression is gone. If I was reasonably confident
that I had a serotonin deficiency, I would try eating lots of bananas,
or 5-htp, or St. John's Wort, and then maybe try antidepressants
(although I still think stimulants and Wellbutrin sound like a better
bet than SSRIs for this sort of thing).
I was on no other medication during this time other than
the aforementioned Ritalin and Adderall. When I was a child I was
prescribed a very high dose of Effexxor (which was then not approved for
use in children) which I allegedly had a very bad reaction to (my
normally-adequate memory of my childhood draws a complete blank for that
period). I occasionally used diphenhydramine during the period after I
started using DXM. It made me feel very depressed for a week or so, and
it still makes me feel somewhat depressed for a few days even if I only
take 2 pills for sleep. In my uneducated opinion, I consider DXM to be
Penicillin for the human psyche. I have never had a 'bad trip', and I
notice no serious side effects from it's use. Some people are bothered
by the changes that DXM use causes in the mind (such as alienation from
others and a 'soulless' feeling). I was not. I have experienced no
cognitive impairment and can actually think better now.
I'll let you, the reader and user, decide on whether DXM is beneficial for depression and anxiety. I know it helps for me!
DXM IN SCIENCE
A SCIENTIFIC LOOK AT THE MANY USES OF DEXTROMETHORPHAN IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY
compiled by gravol
The following reports highlight the many uses that DXM has in the
medical community. It is far from being banned in this country due to
its many uses in everything from aiding people with CNS disorders to
testing for certain types of cancer. This is a new monthly section that
is devoted entirely to the scientific aspects of DXM. For further
information on these articles, you can find them at PubMed online.
The treatment of a chronic organic mental disorder with dextromethorphan in a man with severe mental retardation.
Welch L, Sovner R. Craig D.D.S.O., Geneseo, New York.
Response to dextromethorphan (15 mg b.i.d.), an antitussive agent not
usually considered to have psychotropic properties, was seen in a
25-year-old man with severe developmental disabilities, congenital
rubella, and an organic mental disorder. Dextromethorphan affects CNS
serotonergic systems, and this was the probable therapeutic mechanism.
This and other published cases suggest the existence of a distinct
organic mental syndrome in developmentally disabled persons which
responds to drugs that increase indoleaminergic activity. PMID: 1638308
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Dextromethorphan for the reduction of immediate and late postoperative
pain and morphine consumption in orthopedic oncology patients.
Weinbroum AA, Gorodetzky A, Nirkin A, Kollender Y, Bickels J, Marouani
N, Rudick V, Meller I. Postanesthesia Care Unit, Tel Aviv Sourasky
Medical Center and the Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University,
Tel Aviv, Israel.
BACKGROUND: Postoperative pain is mediated centrally by
N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptors. The beneficial effects of
preincision oral dextromethorphan (DM), which is an NMDA antagonist, on
postoperative pain and intravenous patient-controlled analgesia (IV-PCA)
morphine (MO) consumption have been examined in patients undergoing
surgery. The authors investigated 75 patients who underwent surgery for
bone and soft tissue malignancies, in whom postoperative pain is more
severe compared with patients who undergo general surgery. METHODS:
Patients received placebo, DM 60 mg, or DM 90 mg (25 patients per group)
before surgery and on each of the two following days in a randomized,
double-blind, placebo-controlled manner. Postoperative IV-PCA MO was
started when subjective pain intensity was >/= 4/10 (visual score)
and lasted for 72 hours. Rescue drugs on demand were oral paracetamol or
dipyrone. RESULTS: The patients in the DM60 and DM90 groups similarly
experienced 50-80% less pain (P < 0.01) compared with patients in the
placebo group, both immediately and up to 3 days postoperatively, as
well as a 50% reduction in the estimated overall maximal pain intensity
(P < 0.01). Both DM groups consumed 50-70% less MO than the
nonmedicated individuals in the placebo group (P < 0.01), and their
demand for rescue drugs on the first postoperative day also was
significantly lower (P < 0.01). Patients in the DM groups also were
sedated less ( approximately 70%; P < 0.01). There were no
differences among the groups in terms of when the patients left their
beds, when they were discharged home, or the number of overall side
effects. CONCLUSIONS: DM is associated with reduced pain intensity,
sedation, and analgesic requirements, even in patients undergoing
surgery for bone and soft tissue malignancies. A 3-day DM administration
neither increased the incidence of side effects nor accelerated
ambulation and discharge home. Cancer 2002;95:1164-70. Copyright 2002
American Cancer Society.DOI 10.1002/cncr.10784 PMID: 12209704 [PubMed -
as supplied by publisher]
Inhibition of coumarin 7-hydroxylase activity in human liver microsomes.
Draper AJ, Madan A, Parkinson A. Department of Pharmacology,
Toxicology, and Therapeutics, University of Kansas Medical Center,
Kansas City 66160-7417, USA.
Nine organic solvents and 47 commonly used P450 substrates and
inhibitors were examined for their effects on coumarin 7-hydroxylase
(CYP2A6) activity in human liver microsomes. Of the nine organic
solvents examined (final concentration 1%, v/v), only methanol did not
inhibit the 7-hydroxylation of coumarin (0.5 to 50 microM) by human
liver microsomes. Dioxane and tetra-hydrofuran, which are structurally
related to coumarin, were the most inhibitory solvents examined.
Although the rates of coumarin 7-hydroxylation varied enormously among
nine samples of human liver microsomes and cDNA-expressed CYP2A6 (Vmax =
179 to 2470 pmol/ mg protein/min), the Km for coumarin 7-hydroxylation
was fairly constant (ranging from 0.50 to 0.70 microM). The following
chemicals caused little or no inhibition of CYP2A6 as defined by a Ki
> 200 microM: caffeine, chlorzoxazone, cimetidine, dextromethorphan,
diazepam, diclofenac, erythromycin, ethinylestradiol,
ethynyltestosterone, fluconazole, furafylline, furfural, hexobarbital,
itraconazole, mephenytoin, methimazole, metronidazole, naringenin,
naringin, nifedipine, norfloxacin, norgestrel, orphenadrine, quinidine,
papaverine, phenacetin, pyrimethamine, ranitidine, spironolactone,
sulfaphenazole, sulfinpyrazone, testosterone, tolbutamide,
troleandomycin, and warfarin. In other words, these chemicals, at a
final concentration of 100 microM, failed to inhibit CYP2A6 when the
concentration of coumarin was equal to Km (0.50 microM). The following
chemicals were classified as strong inhibitors of CYP2A6 (defined by Ki
< 200 microM): clotrimazole, diethyldithiocarbamate, ellipticine,
ketoconazole, 8-methoxypsoralen, 4-methylpyrazole, metyrapone,
miconazole, alpha-naphthoflavone, nicotine, p-nitrophenol, and
tranylcypromine. The potency with which each chemical inhibited the
7-hydroxylation of coumarin was independent of which sample of human
liver microsomes was studied. One of the most potent inhibitors of
coumarin 7-hydroxylase was 8-methoxypsoralen (methoxsalen), which was
determined to be a mechanism-based inhibitor (suicide substrate) of
CYP2A6 (k(inactivation) 0.5 min-1). With the exception of
8-methoxypsoralen, preincubation of human liver microsomes and NADPH
with the aforementioned inhibitors did not increase their ability to
inhibit CYP2A6. The most potent competitive inhibitor of CYP2A6 was
tranylcypromine (Ki = 0.04 microM). Several of the chemicals that
strongly inhibited CYP2A6, such as ketoconazole and tranylcypromine, are
often used with the intention of selectively inhibiting human P450
enzymes other than CYP2A6. The results of this study underscore the need
for a systematic evaluation of the specificity of commonly used P450
inhibitors. PMID: 9143352 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
TALES FROM THE DARKSIDE
AND OTHER MACABRE TALES OF STRANGE BEHAVIOR/OCCURRENCES BY DXM USERS
compiled by gravol
I have updated this section to include not only strange behavior but
other strange events that have come over individuals using
dextromethorphan. While many of these reports may seem amusing, some are
actually quite serious.
666 Cough Syrup:
There is a brand of cough syrup sold by Walgreens and K-Mart called
"666 Cough Syrup." Currently we're trying to find out who makes it and
obtain a picture of the front of the box. The one available on the
Internet at the deuceofclubs.com website is an outdated box - the newer
boxes have a much larger and more diabolical-looking 666 on the front of
it. If you have a scan of it, contact the Editor.
DXM Heart Attack:
Lisa (
[email protected]
) states:
I have used DXm many times and it's a good trip for me-----but the
last time. I thought i was just tripping when my heart started beating
fast and ignored it when the chest pains started. Then I couldn't take
it anymore and called 911. I figured I was just having a bad trip, then
they hooked me up to the monitors and everything went downhill from
there. I was having a myocardial infarction ( fancy for HEART ATTACK),
and now I have damage to my heart and have to take heart medicine. It
sucks. I wonder if this is a common or rare side effect????? They at the
hospital admitted not knowing much about DXM. I think the medical
community needs to be informed of the properties of recreational DXM, so
that people who do have complications can be treated in the ER. Anyone
hear of this happening before (I was taking ROBO extra strenght----no
other active drug in there but DXM. Bummer---you should take chest pain
seriously if you are using DXM!!!!
Selling DXM to Children:
One user, who we will protect his identity, claims he sells DXM to children as young as 11: "
I've sold dxm pills to these kids on several occations. Only now that i
think about it, I believe it was a mistake. I wasn't thinking to clear
or something. I've made a good 200 dollars of these kids in the past 3-4
weeks." Pretty sad, if you ask us.
DXM MUSIC REVIEWS
COOL MUSIC TO LISTEN TO WHILE ON DXM
by various authors
Marc Eriksen (
[email protected]
) does the following reviews:
Trance Dance
by Astral Projection
My all time favorite tune for dexing. I usually just lay back on
my bed and trance to this one. its about 9 minutes long (which is great
for prelonged trance outs) and combined with a light machine, i'd have
to say you could almost reach nirvana with it. A definate recommend!
Kid A
(album) by Radiohead
The first time I slammed a 4oz of Maximum Strength Robotussin, I was
listening to this. My God! I'd have to say this really sent
me flying. I found myself feeling like I was floating at times.
What is the feel of this album? It's a mixture of soft notes
and crazy techno sounds. Songs such as 'Tree Fingers' and
'Idioteque' can send you into tussin space! You'll find a nice
variety of soft soothing sounds, and head-bobbing beats.
Pulse Widthfghj
by (my friend)
I have a DM(square) mixing table for my computer. One night my
friend and I did a nice bottle of 4oz max robo, My friend made this
magnificent beat, it's so excellent, it just goes to show you that
tussin can create inspiration. If you would like to hear this
song, e-mail me at [email protected] and i'll send you a copy of
it.
More Drug and Bass
by Venetian Snares
Get ready for one hell of a crazy ride! This music isn't what
you're used to it. Think of it's sound like if you dropped a cat
on a bunch of objects, and that's what you got, but don't be skeptic
yet, because it sounds sooooo good on dxm, give Venetian Snares a try
and you'll like them (that is if you like that kind of music).
Honorable Mention: Ambient Galaxy by Astral Projection (actually
anything by them is great), Feel the Beat and Sandstorm by DaRude (I
recentally bought the cd, I have yet to experience it on dxm, but thus
far it's one of my favorite trance cd's.), and of course Robotussin by
MC Chris (where would the fun be without a little song about the red
stuff?)
NixTrippin (
[email protected]
) provides us with the following reviews:
Artist: Trance[]Control
CD: Beyond 2001
Recomended Tracks: In Trance We Trust, Love And Desire
Rating: 5 Bottles of Robo (out of a possible 5) (note: don't *actually* take that much just to listen to this!)
This CD is incredible.. it's nuts. If the world was taken over by
robots, this is the kind of music they would party to. It's just deep,
complex.. cold and robotic and yet so beautiful. Plus, no one does
better breaks than Trance[]Control. If you get a really hard buzz going,
you will not be able to turn this CD off until it is over. Also
bitchin' sober.
If you would like to contribute to this section, contact the editor.
Adam (
[email protected]
) writes:
Tortoise -
Gamera
EP
Tortoise is a post-rock band on the Thrill Jockey label. Gamera EP is a
Japanese import. Tortoise is part of the avant-garde post-rock
movement. They draw on a wide variety of non-pop influences from the
past: Krautrock, dub, classical minimalism, ambient, space, prog-rock,
film-music and British electronica. They have up to seven members on the
stage at once, with up to two drummers and vibes at once. They
employ such odd instruments as the melodica, a harmonica sounding
instrument that is shaped like a miniature keyboard that you blow into
to produce music. Amazingly, between each song, there is an instrument
switch and each preformer will switch from one to the other.
The album itself is an interesting one, it is very
ambient at times, and it changes its sound and direction over time. When
you're listening to music, you don't always need words to describe a
feeling, because not all feelings are easily described by a word. You
can be listening to Tortoise and then all of the sudden have a weird
notion of a feeling that you felt once. As well, because of their
ambient nature, you are left hanging, sometimes on complete silence, for
the next note in their melody. The EP itself has the title song,
Gamera, which is a stereotypical Tortoise jam and then three other
songs, Cliff, Dweller and Society, which are most often played together
as an extended jam called, surprisingly "Cliff Dweller Society". A great
album that featured that song is 'All Tomorrow's Parties 1.0' Tortoise
doesn't follow any standard song structure, and this can lead to some
disappointment, because sometimes you just wish they would wrap every
different rhythm and melody together into one great finale-- sometimes
they wrap everything up into an amazing conclusion and sometimes they
just fade out into nothingness, but overall it is a very satistfying
experience either way. The best thing about Tortoise, in my opinion, is
you can either listen to it intently, and try to examine the complex
soundscapes being created, or you could easily leave it playing in the
background because it's not in any overpowering of your concentration.
One signature of all of Tortoise's work is the post-production. John
McEntire, who has produced such bands as Stereolab and Archer Prewitt is
also a member of The Sea and Cake. His production skills are renown
some of the best in the post-rock scene.
As far as listening to tortoise under the influence of
DXM, 1st and 2nd plateau is awesome especially when headphones are
utilized because you can experience all of the neat stereo seperation
effects. 3rd and 4th plateau are also enjoyable because as I said
earlier, it is easy to put into the back of your mind, excellent for a
session of introspection and meditation.
As you can see, we really need more music reviews by dexers to be
contributed. Don't forget, you'll be entered into a drawing for FREE DXM
when you submit your reviews. Thanks!
DXM POETRY
A COMPILATION OF POETRY DONE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF DXM
compiled by gravol
Dan Ackerman (
[email protected]
)
wrote the following:
I sit and I write
A malady pite
Joyous to sing so delicately
Bushes do dance
The trees are entranced
And the otters pour fellows
Over the brim
Sky cedars falling
Cuddle do darling
Wistfully wait while the
Kangaroo pates
Lucky lady come running hither
So brightly does she fall
Justly sitting mighty scribbling
Softly tiddlehouse do diddling
Bubble bopple do pick the kite
Night falls whilst dusty fight
Do simmer and kimmer and soot
Kindly wait under a brimbroom tree
Suptuous sulken thy fingers nigh
Pitter unto the huthoof fro
Wretched beauty, sing o loathe
Thine hast the table passed
Skyfall and lightly, nightly they come
Mightily shining the shimmering seed
Branch out thee forest
Green to my keep
Sandstone the fingers of doodle in soup
Sharplee (
[email protected]
) gives us the following:
mum is the word
but what was the word
before
it was mum
did it make a noise
did it squeek or squawk
did it bring into life
all that we are not
what is the word
and hey
who spoke it
Please look in the next issue for DXM Artwork, as not enough pieces were obtained by editing/release time.
INFO ON ORDERING PURE DXM POWDER
compiled by gravol
There are only two reliable sources for obtaining dextromethorphan
powder for research purposes. One is Chico Chemical and the other is LTK
Research Products. Neither of these companies are affiliated with the
Zine. Information, taken from their website, follows.
If you are a company that sells DXM powder and would like
to be noted in this section, please contact the Editor. Unfortunately,
we've had many cases of fraud in the past years so we're only posting
the most credible sources.
Chico Chemical
Chico Chemical is a chemical reseller based in Winston-Salem, NC
-offering fine chemicals and bulk actives with a market focus on small
research entities that require special attention and personalized
service. We purchase only the finest quality product in bulk enabling
smaller customers to get the product they need at an affordable price.
Our inventory is growing, and options for payment are
being added everyday so feel free to email us about how we can be of
service to you.
Mail: 353 Jonestown Rd. - Suite 169 - Winston-Salem - NC - 27104
Email:
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25 grams $55
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100 grams $145
* $5.00 S&H on all
orders
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North Dakota . We currently offer Quality research chemicals at a
low competitive price. We are now offering our products over the web as
well as by mail
If would like to contact us you can:
by mail: LTK Research Products
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by Phone: 1-866-LTK-PROD/1-866-585-7763 between 10am and 4pm cst
by Fax: 1-701-839-0891
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Orders by Check or Money orders: If the web page ordering system does
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Please send your order to :
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Please include the following :
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ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
I wish to thank everyone who either contributed to the Zine or helped
provide information on DXM. I would especially like to thank void and
VaeSolis from the Dextroverse and all the helpful people from that site
and others that helped me compile this massive publication, and
especially xganon for helping me with the HTML end of it.
Next Issue: 5-year Anniversary Special
About the Editor:
Gravol, also known as Jeff, is 24 and works on the Zine in his spare
time. Born in Phoenix and having lived in Akron, Ohio, for
several years, he now resides in St. Augustine, Florida. He is also
the author of the Dramamine FAQ, found at lycaeum.org, and an artist in
his spare time. To check out some of his work, goto
www.lesia.org/amiens.jpg.
You can find him posting at Usenet's alt.drugs.psychdelics, as he is a regular there.
* If you'd like to contribute an article or any information to the DXM Zine, email
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